Tuesday, November 8, 2011

Digest for seo-professionals@googlegroups.com - 6 Messages in 2 Topics

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    Eugene Pik <eugene@easydevs.com> Nov 07 09:36AM -0500  

    Hi Gary,
    Thanks for the recommendations. I did some additional research and found
    few Google's articles and videos.
    In regard to the duplicated content they said:
     
    "Websites that provide content for different regions and in different
    languages sometimes create content that is the same or similar but
    available on different URLs. This is generally not a problem as long as the
    content is for different users in different countries. While we strongly
    recommend that you provide unique content for each different group of
    users, we understand that this may not always be possible for all pages and
    variations from the start. There is generally no need to "hide" the
    duplicates by disallowing crawling in a robots.txt
    file<http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=156449>or
    by using a "noindex"
    robots meta tag<http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=79812>.
    "
    http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2010/03/working-with-multi-regional-websites.html
     
    If I understand that correctly, Google allows duplicate content when users
    from the same region/country do not receive duplications. We configured
    'www', 'ca' and 'us' sites in Webmaster Tools -> Geographic Target to tell
    Google which domain belongs to what country. I hope that that plus the IP
    Geotargeting of the 'www' Home page should resolve the possible 'duplicate
    content' issue.
     
    In regards to the redirections, we changed our geotargeting policy and do
    redirect only the 'www' Home page. That ensures that users arrived on the
    'www' home page get redirected to their local country site, but users
    referred by a search engine or another site would not be redirected. That
    was also a recommendation from Google. I understand that the Home page of
    Canadian site will not be indexed properly by the USA based Google
    scanners... yeah, that is an issue that we have to live with. I agree with
    you that tricking Google here would get us into bigger trouble.
     
    Regards,
    Eugene
     

     

    "gary young" <gary.young@btinternet.com> Nov 08 02:14PM +0100  

    Hi Eugene,
     

     
    Well done on your research – a great practice!
     

     
    I would like to add, that I read/watch what Google says most of the time. However, what Matt Cutts and co says I take with a pitch of salt, because in my experience, their algorithm is far from perfect and what they say sometimes mislead people - sometimes purposely/or unintentionally.
     

     
    With Google Panda continued iterations, duplicate content is a bigger issue than ever before (documentation is usually the last thing people update). Websites are penalised if even one or two pages are found have a high level of duplication. The Google Duplicate Penaltly Myth is no longer a myth!
     

     
    Personally, I would not risk putting any form of duplicate content on any of my main websites. Get it rewritten, by doing so you will be generating a kind of split test to determine how effective your copywriting is on different pages.
     

     
    Gary
     
    From: seo-professionals@googlegroups.com [mailto:seo-professionals@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eugene Pik
    Sent: 07 November 2011 15:37
    To: seo-professionals@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: Multi-domain site: redirects and duplicate content
     

     
    Hi Gary,
    Thanks for the recommendations. I did some additional research and found few Google's articles and videos.
    In regard to the duplicated content they said:
     
    "Websites that provide content for different regions and in different languages sometimes create content that is the same or similar but available on different URLs. This is generally not a problem as long as the content is for different users in different countries. While we strongly recommend that you provide unique content for each different group of users, we understand that this may not always be possible for all pages and variations from the start. There is generally no need to "hide" the duplicates by disallowing crawling in a robots.txt file <http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=156449> or by using a <http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=79812> "noindex" robots meta tag. "
    http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2010/03/working-with-multi-regional-websites.html
     
    If I understand that correctly, Google allows duplicate content when users from the same region/country do not receive duplications. We configured 'www', 'ca' and 'us' sites in Webmaster Tools -> Geographic Target to tell Google which domain belongs to what country. I hope that that plus the IP Geotargeting of the 'www' Home page should resolve the possible 'duplicate content' issue.
     
    In regards to the redirections, we changed our geotargeting policy and do redirect only the 'www' Home page. That ensures that users arrived on the 'www' home page get redirected to their local country site, but users referred by a search engine or another site would not be redirected. That was also a recommendation from Google. I understand that the Home page of Canadian site will not be indexed properly by the USA based Google scanners... yeah, that is an issue that we have to live with. I agree with you that tricking Google here would get us into bigger trouble.
     
    Regards,
    Eugene
     
    On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:03 AM, gary young <gary.young@btinternet.com> wrote:
     
    Welcome Eugene to our thriving community!
     
    My answers are:
     
    1) I would not consider tricking Google with redirects, especially using
    cloaking. Google has huge army of human reviewers you will be caught,
    especially if you start getting traffic.
    Use only 301 redirects and understand that Google will focus only the
    destination domain, although it can take a couple of months to register all
    pages.
     
    2) Avoid duplicate content on your main websites at all costs. Period.
    Rewrite the content if you wish to have multiple sites in the same language.
     
     
    3) You should use Google webmaster tools to indicate which domain you wish
    to focus for each country. Otherwise, purchase the domain names like
    www.shalomlife.ca No need to host it in the country of origin.
     
    Good luck,
    Gary
    "Passionately seeking knowledge in order to serve"
     
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    -----Original Message-----
    From: seo-professionals@googlegroups.com
    [mailto:seo-professionals@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eugene Pik
    Sent: 03 November 2011 17:15
    To: SEO PROFESSIONALS
    Subject: Multi-domain site: redirects and duplicate content
     
     
    Hello to all SEO specialists.
    This is my 1st post here; please do not judge too hard...
     
    Description:
    We are in the process of creating multi-domain site to present localized
    content for www.shalomlife.com users in different countries.
    We have 3 locations:
    Canada: ca.shalomlife.com
    USA: us.shalomlife.com
    International: www.shalomlife.com
     
    We use IP Geotargeting to redirect users to their location. After users
    choose another location (click on the flag) we save it in their browser
    cookie and use for all following requests.
     
    We're just starting the US site and its content is very similar to the
    content of Canadian site. In future there will be more local articles
    created by the US writers and editors.
     
    Issues:
    1) Redirects.
    Google scanners are located in the USA. The site automatically redirects
    them to us.shalomlife.com and they have no access to content located on
    ca.shalomlife.com. Currently we redirect all pages, but we decided to do so
    only for the home page and will implement that shortly. But the Home page
     
    would still have an issue. Should we 'trick' Google and do not redirect its
     
    scanners?
     
    2) Duplicate content
    All international articles will be visible on both domains. Local Canadian
    and Local US articles will be visible under "world" category on other site.
    Will Google punish us for that? What is the solution?
     
    3) International domain
    International users will arrive on www.shalomlife.com. This site will be
    similar to us.shalomlife.com until we have more locations. That means 2
     
    completely identical sites. We could use www.shalomlife.com for the USA
     
    users instead of us.shalomlife.com, but then switching from Canada to USA
     
    doesn't make sense for the international users. Any suggestion here?
     
    Thanks,
    Eugene

     

    Ravi Kumar Datti <ravi.datti@gmail.com> Nov 08 10:23AM +0530  

    Hi Friends,
     
    It's seems page rank updated today.
     
    Check it once.
     
    - Ravi

     

    Kamal Kumawat <kamalkumawat@gmail.com> Nov 08 12:27PM +0530  

    Yes, You are absolutely Right...
     

     

    Anil Garg <anil.imb@gmail.com> Nov 08 12:29PM +0530  

    Ya I noticed page rank update is going on
     
     
     
     
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    Thanks & Regards
    Anil Garg
    Mo - 9910127164

     

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