Friday, July 22, 2011

[WD&D] Digest for sitedesign@googlegroups.com - 20 Messages in 3 Topics

Group: http://groups.google.com/group/sitedesign/topics

    ravi h <hravi.87@gmail.com> Jul 21 08:09PM +0530 ^
     
    i just designed a website it is working fine in firefox 3.6 and chrome.
    but, structure is failed in IE6 i want to what percent of world use IE6.
     
    can i drop IE 6 browser compatibility
     
    if i should consider its compatibility please suggest how.
     
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    thank you
    ravi

     

    Olivier Florence <oli.florence@gmail.com> Jul 21 03:42PM +0100 ^
     
    It is small at this stage, we have stopped supporting from the start of the
    year but all sites show a message letting the users know they should
    upgrade.
     
    If you support IE 6 you could spend extra days in development on your sites
    (in my opinion)
     
    Kind regards
    Olivier
     
     
     
     
    --
    Olivier Florence
    oli.florence@gmail.com

     

    Tejas Paraswar <tejas.paraswar@gmail.com> Jul 21 08:21PM +0530 ^
     
    No dont do that.most of the peoples from india uses latest IE.If you drop IE
    compatibility then u had a great loss.

     

    Olivier Florence <oli.florence@gmail.com> Jul 21 03:55PM +0100 ^
     
    earlier this year looking at stats from our sites and customers it was at
    between 2 and 3%
     
     
    --
    Olivier Florence
    oli.florence@gmail.com

     

    A Wizard <ibwizard@gmail.com> Jul 21 08:01AM -0700 ^
     
    So then the question becomes is it worth your time trying to keep that "2
    and 3%"? If you were say Sears that percentage is a significant amount of
    money, but it your a typical mom and pop type business you could be spending
    more money then that percentage will bring in!
    David G
     

     

    Liam Kenneth <liam.kenneth89@gmail.com> Jul 21 04:43PM +0100 ^
     
    support for IE 6 has been dropped by microsoft and they are campaigning to
    kill it off http://www.ie6countdown.com/
     

     

    Olivier Florence <oli.florence@gmail.com> Jul 21 04:45PM +0100 ^
     
    I believe Google has also stopped supporting with their various API's since
    March this year
     
     
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    Olivier Florence
    oli.florence@gmail.com

     

    Liam Kenneth <liam.kenneth89@gmail.com> Jul 21 07:04PM +0100 ^
     
    so have youtube(google) Facebook, more big names than you think :)
     

     

    Binaek Sarkar <binaek89@gmail.com> Jul 21 01:30PM +0530 ^
     
    Michael,
     
    I agree with you on the fact that Dreamweaver in Design View is not a top
    preference. I personally use Dreamweaver in Code mode and use my browser for
    view. That helps in seeing the actual output rather than one rendered by
    some software.
     
    However, the thing I love about dreamweaver is the code suggestion part. It
    takes a lot out of development (I mean if you can call a method by typing
    three letters and then Enter, then why not)
     
    What do you think?
     
    Regards
    Binaek Sarkar
    Foundation
    http://www.foundation.net.in/
     

     

    Liam Kenneth <liam.kenneth89@gmail.com> Jul 21 10:08AM +0100 ^
     
    haha I started in notepad but without syntax highlighting debugging makes
    your eyes bleed. I upgraded to notepadd++ which is great but I use
    dreamweaver now because its quicker to work in for example:
     
    #someID {
     
    Once I hit enter it gives me a choice of css and narrows it down while i
    type:
     
    font-family: Now it tells me Arial, helevictica, sans-serif etc with out me
    typing just click the one I want.
     
    its great.
     

     

    Binaek Sarkar <binaek89@gmail.com> Jul 21 03:04PM +0530 ^
     
    That is exactly what I love about Dreamweaver... I have found very few
    softwares which can do generic syntax highlighting and code-suggesting as
    well as DW...
     

     

    Michael Kolaski <mkolaski@gmail.com> Jul 21 10:45AM +0100 ^
     
    Hi
     
    I do have a copy of Dreamweaver installed, but rarely use it for
    anything other than the FTP function. I work not only with HTML, CSS and
    PHP but also with SQL, CSV and XML files and, for me, having (only to
    learn) one piece of software that not only covers all bases but also
    improves/speeds up my workflow does it for me.
     
    I'll admit to being a bit of a text editor junkie and must've tried just
    about everyone out there. My current 'squeeze' is Sublime Text and like
    Dreamweaver it has an auto complete function via (Textmate-like)
    snippets. In addition, there are features such as:
     
    * Ctrl + L to select a line
    * Ctrl + D selects a word
    * Shift + Ctrl and up/down arrow will move a selected block of text
    * Type DIV and press the tab key and it gives you: <div></div>
    * You can wrap text in tags
     
    Just about everything is customisable from the colour theme to the
    shortcuts. There's a Python API for it and one of the guys on the forum
    has ported the Komodo CodeIntel to ST. If you use the Zen Coding plugin
    there's a port of that too
     
    I would add that, whilst Sublime Text 2 is still in beta, it's only
    because some functionality is missing. I use it daily and it's never
    once crashed on me. I'm not saying it's better than Dreamweaver, just
    that it suits me and the way I work better. Your mileage may vary.
     
    Sorry for the 'hard sell' on ST - I did tell you I was a text editor
    junkie!! :-D I just happen to think it's a really good piece of software.
     
    Binaek - as you develop in code view and use the browser to review
    changes, have you tried XRefresh (http://xrefresh.binaryage.com/), a FF
    plugin that refreshes the current web page when you save the file
    changes saving you the need to press F5 in the browser. Really useful,
    particularly if you use 2 screens.
     
    Another utility that I've started to find useful (and I never really saw
    the point of them before), a clipboard manager such as Ditto
    (http://ditto-cp.sourceforge.net/) will make life a lot easier,
    especially if you end up doing a lot of copying/pasting of client copy
    and such-like.
     
    Cheers,
    Mick
    --
    Pinnacle Web Design
    http://www.pinnaclewebdesign.co.uk | http://twitter.com/pinnacleweb
     
     
     
     
    On 21/07/2011 10:34, Binaek Sarkar wrote:

     

    Binaek Sarkar <binaek89@gmail.com> Jul 21 03:28PM +0530 ^
     
    Michael,
     
    Thank you for letting me know about XRefresh. This is the first time I am
    hearing about it and I will definitely give it a shot. (I must confess, I am
    not really a FireFox fan)
     
    However, I check the output in all available browsers so that I don't miss
    out on the cross-browser compatibility. I usually check the outputs on IE,
    Chrome, FF, Opera and Safari...
     
    Do you know of any plugins for the others??? I must say, F5 after every line
    is really a pain I have gotten habituated to... But given a choice, I would
    love to avoid it...
     
    Regards
    Binaek Sarkar
    Foundation
    http://www.foundation.net.in/
     

     

    Michael Kolaski <mkolaski@gmail.com> Jul 21 11:15AM +0100 ^
     
    Hi Binaek
     
    Like you I test in all browsers but actually use Chrome as my main
    day-to-day browser.
     
    I did have a quick Google and one site suggested putting
    <metahttp-equiv="refresh"content="3"/>in the <head> element. You just
    need to remember to remove it before the site goes live! I also found
    https://github.com/mockko/livereload which looks good - it's similar to
    Xrefresh but works in Safari and Chrome. Will have a play with it later.
     
     
    Cheers,
    Mick
     
    On 21/07/2011 10:58, Binaek Sarkar wrote:

     

    Somex De Archvist <prezplay@gmail.com> Jul 21 11:59AM +0100 ^
     
    Someone just recommended Aptana Studio but I'm new to web development.
    Is it advisable to go with aptana?
     
    --
    *Somex De Archvist*

     

    Binaek Sarkar <binaek89@gmail.com> Jul 21 04:45PM +0530 ^
     
    Yes, using meta is an idea, but its unnecessary... That tag refreshes the
    page every three seconds (but you already know that)... So, I would be
    hitting the server with requests even if I don't need it... This will in
    turn increase the load on the server, especially when it comes to dynamic
    HTML (like in PHP) and considering the fact that we work with a team, we
    might end up with an extremely slow server response, something we cannot
    afford (or anybody can't) in a production environment...
     
    Regards
    Binaek Sarkar
    Foundation
    http://www.foundation.net.in/
     

     

    Daniel Robson <danielrobson7@gmail.com> Jul 21 11:43AM +0200 ^
     
    spelling errors in the 'soccer' tab...
     
     
     

     

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