Tuesday, August 2, 2011

[WD&D] Digest for sitedesign@googlegroups.com - 25 Messages in 4 Topics

Group: http://groups.google.com/group/sitedesign/topics

    Joni Mueller <joni@jonimueller.com> Aug 02 10:22AM -0500 ^
     
    This is gorgeous as the front page. I am very curious about what the inner pages will look like. If you plan to have inner pages with lots of text, take care that there's enough contrast between the text and the background (it barely squeaks by on the front page footer and search box text). Otherwise, gorgeous!
     
    Joni Mueller
    Pixelita Designs
    http://www.pixelita.com
    ________________________________________
    From: sitedesign@googlegroups.com [sitedesign@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nikoloz Burchuladze [nikoloz.burchuladze@gmail.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:43 AM
    To: sitedesign@googlegroups.com
    Subject: [WD&D] likes and don't , design opinion

     

    Nikoloz Burchuladze <nikoloz.burchuladze@gmail.com> Aug 02 08:50PM +0500 ^
     
    thnks Joni. i'll upload inner pages than they are ready.

     

    Nikoloz Burchuladze <nikoloz.burchuladze@gmail.com> Aug 02 11:58PM +0500 ^
     
    The only text what they have is, little text of About Us.
    it's Blacksmith's website. Only Catalogue of produqts.)

     

    Jio <jioman7@gmail.com> Aug 02 12:50PM -0700 ^
     
    Gotta say that's a beautiful design..A Netherland developer i knew used to
    use some what of the same concept/flow..Amazing job..
     
    On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Nikoloz Burchuladze <

     

    Nikoloz Burchuladze <nikoloz.burchuladze@gmail.com> Aug 03 12:52AM +0500 ^
     
    thnks Jio.

     

    Lucas Gabriel <lucas.dias.gabriel@gmail.com> Aug 02 05:18PM -0300 ^
     
    GREAT WORK! trully great work! gotta see if the client has more content I'd
    say. I mean, I try to focus my designs on return of investment, so I would
    put some call to actions and other things but that usually demands more
    content...GREAT WORK.
     
    On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Nikoloz Burchuladze <

     

    Nikoloz Burchuladze <nikoloz.burchuladze@gmail.com> Aug 03 01:20AM +0500 ^
     
    thnsk man

     

 Topic: Civility
    Artist <sitepro@gmail.com> Aug 02 12:46PM -0500 ^
     
    First of all, I am ashamed at what happened here today.
     
    What happened?
     
    One banned member decided to post a negative comment, an insult, when
    another member asked for feedback on his (or her) design.
     
    As soon as I saw this, I started addressing it with the guy who replied with
    the insult, Joe.
     
    But while I was trying to work this out, a firestorm was brewing. I couldn't
    keep up with what I was doing because people were slinging hash at each
    other.
     
    I was offended by Joe's insult, "Poor Design". I was addressing it. But in
    the meantime, so was Liam, Joni and Harold. So a flame-war ensued.
     
    No one had any authority to address this issue. And even though I know that
    we were all offended by Joe, the only thing that should have been addressed
    in that thread was Ravi's design. I have comments on Ravi's design and
    don't get to post them until I am finished here.
     
    Yes, Joe was wrong. But so was everyone else that responded to his remark.
    Yes, his remark has no place here, not without explaining his position.
    Instead of offering positive criticism, it was only a pure insult. Ravi
    asked for feedback and Joe's insult offered none at all.
     
    I spent quite a bit of time deleting all the negative comments in that
    thread. "Poor design" was only one. There were all sorts of insults that
    attacked Joe. And he was not shy about spewing them back.
     
    If you have a problem with any member, you are not entitled to address it.
    You do have the right to tell me. Lookie there, I even have a damn
    toll-free number listed IN MY DAMN SIGNATURE.
     
    I am angry, yes. I am mostly angry at Myself for sending a message to Liam,
    that was intended to be private, to the group/list thread because I was in
    too much of a hurry when I realized that this was on-going and had already
    snow-balled into a real problem.
     
    From here on out, use some civility, people. Most of us are professionals,
    let's act like it.
     
    No one has the right to call anyone out, contact me, I will do that. It
    will be a great deal easier to address as a camp-fire over a bonfire.
     
    If a person cannot treat another civily here, they will be banned. Insults
    will be addressed, but I will address them. Using cuss words, calling
    someone a troll, etc., addressing insults in whatever way, is My
    responsibility. If you want to address someone else's comment, do it with
    me. Not him or her. Not in the group. Notify me.
     
    SMS me @ 605-610-9001 or 605-331-0808
    Call me at either of those numbers or 800-279-2156
     
    Do not address situations.
     
    As for Joe, he was wrong, but two wrongs do not make a right.
     
    If someone asks for a critique or feedback, insults such as "poor design"
    are not only an insult, they are a cop-out. If you can't intelligently
    address the request, do not address it at all, don't allow your stupidity to
    shine.
     
    I don't care how polite the people who were offended by Joe's insult were,
    though. It is no one else's place to address anyone's lack of civility but
    Me.
     
    That said, if we cannot be at least cordial with one another, that is
    particularly offensive to our trade. We live in a world where the designer
    has a thankless job. The art uneducated client never gets what he wants
    because the designer understands visual communication while the client does
    not. If we work for a studio we have to navigate all sorts of HR people who
    neither get art nor design. As artists we trudge through rejection after
    rejection hoping for a single break.
     
    The LEAST we can do for each other is to be civil to each other.
     
     
    Thank You
    -Doug
     
     
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    Jae Lee <furimedia@gmail.com> Aug 02 12:29PM -0700 ^
     
    Bravo ! Love this attitude.
     
    Jae
     

     

    Greg Thomas <gthomas10@gmail.com> Aug 02 02:38PM -0500 ^
     
    Well said doug.
     

     

    vaab2000@comcast.net Aug 02 07:40PM ^
     
    Actually, this is a good opportunity for us all to think how we express ourselves. You can always say, "this design sucks" - or you can begin with "there's definitely room for improvement, and I would do such and such ..." I would also ask our esteemed moderator to let the banned me mber back in. I've seen his works and consider him a solid professional - yes, with an attitude but nevertheless. We can all benefit from his professional advice provided he behaves:)
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Jae Lee" <furimedia@gmail.com>
    To: sitedesign@googlegroups.com
    Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 3:29:15 PM
    Subject: Re: [WD&D] Civility
     
     
    Bravo ! Love this attitude.
     
    Jae
     
    On Aug 2, 2011, at 10:46 AM, Artist < sitepro@gmail.com > wrote:
     
     
     
     
     
    First of all, I am ashamed at what happened here today. 
     
    What happened?
     
    One banned member decided to post a negative comment, an insult, when another member asked for feedback on his (or her) design. 
     
    As soon as I saw this, I started addressing it with the guy who replied with the insult, Joe.
     
    But while I was trying to work this out, a firestorm was brewing. I couldn't keep up with what I was doing because people were slinging hash at each other.
     
    I was offended by Joe's insult, "Poor Design".  I was addressing it.  But in the meantime, so was Liam, Joni and Harold.  So a flame-war ensued. 
     
    No one had any authority to address this issue.  And even though I know that we were all offended by Joe, the only thing that should have been addressed in that thread was Ravi's design.  I have comments on Ravi's design and don't get to post them until I am finished here.
     
    Yes, Joe was wrong.  But so was everyone else that responded to his remark.  Yes, his remark has no place here, not without explaining his position.  Instead of offering positive criticism, it was only a pure insult.  Ravi asked for feedback and Joe's insult offered none at all.
     
    I spent quite a bit of time deleting all the negative comments in that thread.  "Poor design" was only one.  There were all sorts of insults that attacked Joe.  And he was not shy about spewing them back.
     
    If you have a problem with any member, you are not entitled to address it.  You do have the right to tell me.  Lookie there, I even have a damn toll-free number listed IN MY DAMN SIGNATURE. 
     
    I am angry, yes.  I am mostly angry at Myself for sending a message to Liam, that was intended to be private, to the group/list thread because I was in too much of a hurry when I realized that this was on-going and had already snow-balled into a real problem.
     
    From here on out, use some civility, people.  Most of us are professionals, let's act like it.
     
    No one has the right to call anyone out, contact me, I will do that.  It will be a great deal easier to address as a camp-fire over a bonfire.  
     
    If a person cannot treat another civily here, they will be banned.  Insults will be addressed, but I will address them.  Using cuss words, calling someone a troll, etc., addressing insults in whatever way, is My responsibility.  If you want to address someone else's comment, do it with me.  Not him or her.  Not in the group.  Notify me. 
     
    SMS me @ 605-610-9001 or 605-331-0808
    Call me at either of those numbers or 800-279-2156
     
    Do not address situations.
     
    As for Joe, he was wrong, but two wrongs do not make a right. 
     
    If someone asks for a critique or feedback, insults such as "poor design" are not only an insult, they are a cop-out.  If you can't intelligently address the request, do not address it at all, don't allow your stupidity to shine.
     
    I don't care how polite the people who were offended by Joe's insult were, though.  It is no one else's place to address anyone's lack of civility but Me.
     
    That said, if we cannot be at least cordial with one another, that is particularly offensive to our trade.  We live in a world where the designer has a thankless job.  The art uneducated client never gets what he wants because the designer understands visual communication while the client does not.  If we work for a studio we have to navigate all sorts of HR people who neither get art nor design.  As artists we trudge through rejection after rejection hoping for a single break. 
     
    The LEAST we can do for each other is to be civil to each other.
     
     
    Thank You
    -Doug
      
     
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    Liam Kenneth <liam.kenneth89@gmail.com> Aug 02 08:54PM +0100 ^
     
    Professional? really :-) I suppose if we found this group we are all geeky
    professionals who love web design and development. maybe unban him after a
    few days...
     

     

    Joe Vasu de Van <jo@thecreativelounge.co.uk> Aug 02 04:15PM +0100 ^
     
    And what was wrong with my commentŠ No need to make those comments to make
    yourself look good.
     
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    From: Joni Mueller <joni@jonimueller.com>
    Reply-To: <sitedesign@googlegroups.com>
    Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:00:51 -0500
    To: "sitedesign@googlegroups.com" <sitedesign@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: RE: [WD&D] please comment on my design
     
    Well maybe he didn't "get your memo." Maybe he didn't read your article.
    And I think when people come to this group asking for a critique, they're
    looking for something specific to their design, not a cookie-cutter
    response. No matter. Hang on the group long enough and you learn who to
    listen to and who not to.
     
    Joni Mueller
    Pixelita Designs
    http://www.pixelita.com
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    On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Joe Vasu de Van
    <jo@thecreativelounge.co.uk<mailto:jo@thecreativelounge.co.uk>> wrote:
     
    I already gave my top ten design tips to an earlier post, not going to do it
    again if no one bothers reading it. You either get design or you don't no
    matter how much you educate someoneŠ. So by saying poor design.. that¹s
    exactly what it means. The internet is a medium that has 20% good design and
    the other 80% poor design. This is why not many people know what is good
    from bad.
     
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    Joni Mueller <joni@jonimueller.com> Aug 02 10:16AM -0500 ^
     
    If you cannot figure out where your two-word "critique" failed, I'm not going to waste my time educating you. In short, "poor critique." Figure it out on your own.
     
    Joni Mueller
    Pixelita Designs
    http://www.pixelita.com
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    From: sitedesign@googlegroups.com [sitedesign@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Vasu de Van [jo@thecreativelounge.co.uk]
    Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:15 AM
    To: sitedesign@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: [WD&D] please comment on my design
     
    And what was wrong with my comment… No need to make those comments to make yourself look good.

     

    Joe Vasu de Van <jo@thecreativelounge.co.uk> Aug 02 04:17PM +0100 ^
     
    Troll? Is this really a place for insults?
     
    Yours Sincerely
     
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    From: Harold Delk <hhdelk@gmail.com>
    Reply-To: <sitedesign@googlegroups.com>
    Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 11:09:30 -0400
    To: <sitedesign@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: Re: [WD&D] please comment on my design
     
    Joni,
     
    Good response to the troll.
     
    Regards,
    Harold
     
     
     
     
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    Emmanuel Kalenge <emmykal@gmail.com> Aug 02 05:20PM +0200 ^
     
    Guys,
    I though we circulate our designs so we can receive criticism and design
    better websites for the future. We are not here to see who is who, that can
    be done in your own blog. Not on this forum. So if you are not happy about
    something, just pack your bags and leave. The circulated design is coming up
    good, with a few tweaks here and there (font size, image gradients), it will
    even be better.
     
    On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Joe Vasu de Van

     

    Joe Vasu de Van <jo@thecreativelounge.co.uk> Aug 02 04:30PM +0100 ^
     
    Joni stop being so defensive, my last comments were about meŠ Not youŠ What
    is this forums problem here.. When someone asks for a comment on a design..
    I made my comment. Whether its two words or longer. Does it matter? If the
    original poster wants to know why I said it he only needs to ask and I'm
    happy to respond. This conversation had not finished, just my initial
    thoughts. Just like an earlier poster I said the same thing when I see poor
    design. He then asked why I said it then I responded in detail. If this is a
    forum for not being able to discuss then I'd rather not be in it. It seems
    some people are here for self promotion rather than being honest about an
    opinion. What you are doing is promoting bad design and encouraging it by
    saying it looks nice when its notŠ In fairness there are also good designs
    presented hereŠ.
     
     
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    From: Joni Mueller <joni@jonimueller.com>
    Reply-To: <sitedesign@googlegroups.com>
    Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:16:03 -0500
    To: "sitedesign@googlegroups.com" <sitedesign@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: RE: [WD&D] please comment on my design
     
    If you cannot figure out where your two-word "critique" failed, I'm not
    going to waste my time educating you. In short, "poor critique." Figure it
    out on your own.
     
    Joni Mueller
    Pixelita Designs
    http://www.pixelita.com
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    From: sitedesign@googlegroups.com [sitedesign@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
    Joe Vasu de Van [jo@thecreativelounge.co.uk]
    Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:15 AM
    To: sitedesign@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: [WD&D] please comment on my design
     
    And what was wrong with my commentŠ No need to make those comments to make
    yourself look good.
     
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    Joni Mueller <joni@jonimueller.com> Aug 02 10:40AM -0500 ^
     
    Uh, I never said your comments were about ME. They were about the OP's request for a critique. Not everything is about ME (I know you think it is for some odd reason). How am I self-promoting anymore than you are with a link to my site in my signature? What self-promoting have I done that anyone else hasn't?
     
    And I never said the design was "nice." I just added my punch list of things that could be corrected. Read much, do ya?
     
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    Pixelita Designs
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    Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:30 AM
    To: sitedesign@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: [WD&D] please comment on my design
     
    Joni stop being so defensive, my last comments were about me… Not you… What is this forums problem here.. When someone asks for a comment on a design.. I made my comment. Whether its two words or longer. Does it matter? If the original poster wants to know why I said it he only needs to ask and I'm happy to respond. This conversation had not finished, just my initial thoughts. Just like an earlier poster I said the same thing when I see poor design. He then asked why I said it then I responded in detail. If this is a forum for not being able to discuss then I'd rather not be in it. It seems some people are here for self promotion rather than being honest about an opinion. What you are doing is promoting bad design and encouraging it by saying it looks nice when its not… In fairness there are also good designs presented here….

     

    Joe Vasu de Van <jo@thecreativelounge.co.uk> Aug 02 04:46PM +0100 ^
     
    Harold
     
    Mr pedantic.. You get my point thoughŠ
     
    Regards
    Joe
     
    Dear Joe:
    Re: "The internet is a medium that has 20% good design and the other 80%
    poor design."
    * Poor use of the statistical method. (or to paraphrase you; "bad math.")
    * The internet is not a medium.
    Regards,
    Harold
     
     
     
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    wrote:
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    Joe Vasu de Van <jo@thecreativelounge.co.uk> Aug 02 04:50PM +0100 ^
     
    Joni
     
    And here you are at it againŠ Do you read much yourself? You really are on
    the edgeŠ The last comments were directed at the forum asa whole, not you,
    so why being so defensive (again!!).. Look back and read again (s0me chip
    you have on your shoulder) ;)
     
     
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    From: Joni Mueller <joni@jonimueller.com>
    Reply-To: <sitedesign@googlegroups.com>
    Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:40:45 -0500
    To: "sitedesign@googlegroups.com" <sitedesign@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: RE: [WD&D] please comment on my design
     
    Uh, I never said your comments were about ME. They were about the OP's
    request for a critique. Not everything is about ME (I know you think it is
    for some odd reason). How am I self-promoting anymore than you are with a
    link to my site in my signature? What self-promoting have I done that
    anyone else hasn't?
     
    And I never said the design was "nice." I just added my punch list of things
    that could be corrected. Read much, do ya?
     
    Joni Mueller
    Pixelita Designs
    http://www.pixelita.com
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    From: sitedesign@googlegroups.com [sitedesign@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
    Joe Vasu de Van [jo@thecreativelounge.co.uk]
    Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:30 AM
    To: sitedesign@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: [WD&D] please comment on my design
     
    Joni stop being so defensive, my last comments were about meŠ Not youŠ What
    is this forums problem here.. When someone asks for a comment on a design..
    I made my comment. Whether its two words or longer. Does it matter? If the
    original poster wants to know why I said it he only needs to ask and I'm
    happy to respond. This conversation had not finished, just my initial
    thoughts. Just like an earlier poster I said the same thing when I see poor
    design. He then asked why I said it then I responded in detail. If this is a
    forum for not being able to discuss then I'd rather not be in it. It seems
    some people are here for self promotion rather than being honest about an
    opinion. What you are doing is promoting bad design and encouraging it by
    saying it looks nice when its notŠ In fairness there are also good designs
    presented hereŠ.
     
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    Liam Kenneth <liam.kenneth89@gmail.com> Aug 02 05:18PM +0100 ^
     
    you the admin?
     
     
     

     

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