Wednesday, October 19, 2011

[WD&D] Digest for sitedesign@googlegroups.com - 5 Messages in 1 Topic

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    Jud <judsonvaughn@gmail.com> Oct 18 06:26AM -0700 ^
     
    I am recommending client NOT put their entire site into a Drupal/WP/
    Joomla framework, but instead use a CMS framework where practical
    (blogs, comments, constantly changing information).
     
    The historic foundation site, at about 150-pages, has many
    "departments". Not many of the content contributors are willing to
    learn the basics of a CMS framework structure, much less editing any
    HTML.
     
    I am separating a CMS framework (Drupal/WP/Joomla/etc) from the single
    ability to edit one page in a CKeditor.
     
    After all, the "about us" page hardly needs to be refreshed more than
    about once per year and I submit that filtering everything through a
    CMS framework adds overhead load issues.
     
    Am I right? How do you advise your clients?
     
    Jud

     

    wakwak <customsitepro@gmail.com> Oct 18 06:44AM -0700 ^
     
    Why not put the entire site in a CMS? From your perspective as a
    developer, using a CMS to create the site is a plus. The single most
    important reason is because of the ability to edit the site easily. If
    you are handy with phpMyadmin, you can really make changes quickly on
    the site. 150 pages? that is really not that large of a site, I
    developed one 2 years ago in Joomla that was 850 pages. When I need to
    edit something, I do a database dump, open it in notepad++, do a
    global replace, the import it back in. If only a small portion of the
    site such as the menus need to be changed, then you can export just
    the tables you need to modify, do a global replace and import it back.
    These are things that are tough to accomplish with dreamweaver or
    eqivalent in a similar amount of time. Even if you use a tool like
    Notepad++ to globally replace something in a folder, you still have to
    upload the entire site back up to the server.
     
    An example is one site we have has 114 contact forms. Recently, the
    owner of the site wanted to add some selections to a dropdown box. If
    I had to hand edit those forms it would have taken me hours, even in
    the joomla administration interface. I exported the form fields, added
    my three new fields and imported them back in about 10 minutes. The
    customer does not know how I do these things and that is just as well.
     
    I believe your biggest challenge is going to be helping those that
    cannot figure out the editor for making a post or article.
     
    Chris
     

     

    Joni Mueller <joni@jonimueller.com> Oct 18 09:32AM -0500 ^
     
    Well it sounds to me like you have your mind made up already. I wouldn't want a site cobbled together with this CMS and that CMS or this technique and that technique or this login area or that login area. You know?
     
    Whether a page is ever edited again once a site goes live is neither here nor there. And with WYSIWYG editors built into most CMSs (WP, Drupal, TextPattern, CMS Made Simple, etc.), the cilent never has to edit code at all or touch any of the design elements. It's as simple as firing up Microsoft Word to add or edit content. And that saves time. And who doesn't like that?
     
    Having everything under one roof, on one platform, ensures consistency. They only have to learn one thing, one way of doing something.
     
    It makes sense from every perspective I can think of. But that's just me. Plus, if they ever want a site redesign, it would be a snap. Anything that can make my cilents' lives easier, saves them time and/or money, and is more efficient all the way around makes my services more valuable to them. If they think they are tied to you because of some cobbled together way of doing something, another web designer can and will come along and show them that is not "the way."
     
    So I say put it on a CMS, always. Unless it's a one page "biz card" type site, there's no reason on earth not to. All that being said, I generally recommend CMS Made Simple (http://www.cmsmadesimple.org) for my small business clients. WordPress (http://www.wordpress.org) if they are more into "hardcore social medial."
     
    HTH.
     
    Joni Mueller
    Pixelita Designs
    http://www.pixelita.com
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    From: sitedesign@googlegroups.com [sitedesign@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jud [judsonvaughn@gmail.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 8:26 AM
    To: Web Design and Development
    Subject: [WD&D] CMS for entire site?
     
    I am recommending client NOT put their entire site into a Drupal/WP/
    Joomla framework, but instead use a CMS framework where practical
    (blogs, comments, constantly changing information).
     
    The historic foundation site, at about 150-pages, has many
    "departments". Not many of the content contributors are willing to
    learn the basics of a CMS framework structure, much less editing any
    HTML.
     
    I am separating a CMS framework (Drupal/WP/Joomla/etc) from the single
    ability to edit one page in a CKeditor.
     
    After all, the "about us" page hardly needs to be refreshed more than
    about once per year and I submit that filtering everything through a
    CMS framework adds overhead load issues.
     
    Am I right? How do you advise your clients?
     
    Jud

     

    Deb * Digital Mouse Designs <listmember@digitalmousedesigns.com> Oct 18 11:35AM -0500 ^
     
    On 10/18/2011 9:32 AM, Joni Mueller wrote:
    > I wouldn't want a site cobbled together with this CMS and that CMS or this technique and that technique or this login area or that login area.
     
    > Joni Mueller
     
     
    I have to agree w/Joni. I have one *old* site that is a cobble job and
    it's a nightmare. I've been trying to get the site owners to switch it
    over to one system and supposedly they're considering it.
     
    --
    Deb * Digital Mouse Designs

     

    Sammy Noorani <snoorani109@gmail.com> Oct 18 01:02PM -0400 ^
     
    Well said Joni!
     
    Sammy
     

     

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