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- Layout Tutotial [10 Updates]
- Artist <sitepro@gmail.com> May 29 02:25AM -0500
It still looks pretty sad to me, Liam. A marked improvement, yes. But the
Heading and content is pushed way over.
I am tired of having you guys fix my layouts. The whole objective to
starting this group was to learn how to do it right. Well, I still don't
know. And until i understand it, why things aren't working as I thought
they should (according to the table layout design crap, the system would
magically create any objects that it needed in order to complete the
layout... but it did not. It never does, it never will).
I am so sick of not understanding why CSS divs are so F*d.
I will look at those tutorials. If this doesn't start making sense to me,
I am going back to tables, though. I am just sick of a standard which has
never worked. And once you get it to work, don't you dare touch a thing or
SPROOOOIIIINNNGG - It's broke again.
This is the stupidest F'n layout method in the F'n world for ALL TIME.
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- Liam Kenneth <liam.kenneth89@gmail.com> May 29 08:36AM +0100
lol I feel your pain, I never learnt table layout I went straight to css
but I remember the trouble I had getting layouts to work. And when I did it
looked great in Firefox but Sh*t in Internet Explorer.
I never use the css table property for building my layouts, i use it to
vertically align stuff if needed.
Your layout I would tackle it by setting that whole image as the background
of a container div that's centered. width:xxx; margin:0 auto; and set it so
position:relative;
then i would absolutely position the content div inside the white space and
do the same for the sidebar.
or scrap it all together and learn a framework like bootstrap
http://getbootstrap.com/ You will be building killer websites in no time :)
- Artist <sitepro@gmail.com> May 29 02:51AM -0500
The Header Div uses an image that comprises the top image. The
ContentContainer uses an image that has to butt up against it, or there
will be one more easily (and unprofessional) seam to notice in the tiling.
It encompasses the Menu as well as the ContentArea (and its content).
Theoretically, the display table model is supposed to allow me to put in
cells of any size, and it should construct the missing parts (according to
how I have read the standards and how it has been explained to me, over and
over)... but it never works out right.
I need the predictability of a goddamn table, grid, whatever. I will never
find it in divs. Divs suck.
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- Liam Kenneth <liam.kenneth89@gmail.com> May 29 08:55AM +0100
Can I have the design? I will show you how I would build it with divs and
you can look at how I did it. It may help you get that ah-ha moment?
- Artist <sitepro@gmail.com> May 29 03:12AM -0500
Just because I am frustrated does not mean I am going to give up my design.
The whole reason I do custom sites is because I don't want them to look
like someone else's template or bootstrap. The whole idea was to find a
tutorial that made sense, not to get someone to fix my mistakes again. I
know I can do this easily (so f'n easily it is ridiculous) with tables. I
will if I cannot find a decent solution for doing it with divs.
I don't understand why the W3C hasn't offered a damn grid, or columns.
Again, My frustration in what I see as obvious holes. But one way or
another, I will get my crap to work.
No thank you.
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- Liam Kenneth <liam.kenneth89@gmail.com> May 29 09:23AM +0100
I recommend this book
http://www.amazon.co.uk/CSS3-The-Missing-Manual-Manuals/dp/1449325947/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1401351670&sr=8-2&keywords=cssIt
helped me in the beginning... I did a few books after this and
practiced
alot.
Bootstrap by the way is brilliant, and it's easy to create your own
layouts, have a look at my site http://lkenneth.co.uk/
- Joni Mueller <joni@jonimueller.com> May 29 10:31AM -0500
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From: sitedesign@googlegroups.com [sitedesign@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Artist [sitepro@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:12 AM
To: Web Design and Development
Subject: Re: [WD&D] Layout Tutotial
Just because I am frustrated does not mean I am going to give up my design. The whole reason I do custom sites is because I don't want them to look like someone else's template or bootstrap. The whole idea was to find a tutorial that made sense, not to get someone to fix my mistakes again. I know I can do this easily (so f'n easily it is ridiculous) with tables. I will if I cannot find a decent solution for doing it with divs.
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- Liam Kenneth <liam.kenneth89@gmail.com> May 29 05:38PM +0100
+1
- Chris Walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> May 30 07:47AM +0800
Doug,
Here is a little snippet I wrote from memory so you don't get tricked
into using a framework such as bootstrap or uikit! Notice a few of
things.. You have to make sure and float the divs left to get them to
nest properly at full width. Once the screensize reduces. then they will
stack. You also need to use the "clearfix" div to separate your nesting
divs from the next set. Thirdly, notice the "viewport" metatag. By the
way, bootstrap is a great framework and if you lookup "html5 bootstrap
templates" online, maybe at themeforest, you can see that beautiful
sites can be produced with it that are very unique. It takes extra
effort though in creating css styles of your own.
Chris
<html>
<head>
<meta name="viewport" content="initial-scale=1">
<Style>
.full { width: 100%; padding: 10px }
.third (width: 33%; padding: 10px; float: left;}
.forth {width: 25%; padding: 10px; float: left;}
.half {width: 50%; padding: 10px; float: left;}
</style>
</head>
<body>
<div class="full">
<div class="third>...</div>
<div class="third>...</div>
<div class="third>...</div>
</div>
<div class="clearfix"> </div>
</body>
</html>
On 5/29/2014 4:12 PM, Artist wrote:
- Christopher Stalnaker <christopherstalnaker@gmail.com> May 29 04:59PM -0700
Hi Artist
Maybe one of these would help.... I've used both.... very helpful:
http://www.getskeleton.com
http://foundation.zurb.com
Maybe you find this interesting:
http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-css-grid-1-20140513/
Hope it helps ;)
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