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- Judson Vaughn <judsonvaughn@gmail.com> Mar 16 12:32PM -0400
Chris,
I thoroughly second your motion 1) regarding the frameworks, and 2) getting a drink(s).
No one really talks about these framework themes, but you are onto something.
The frameworks, such as Drupal, Joomla and WP, are nice to get you going, but they are confining in so many ways.
I have found that reworking a regular theme to fit a need is far more liberating. The developer can work in HTML, CSS, and PHP and the the users can control content in a web-based CMS and everyone is happy.
And your story about the guy who reworked the Drupal theme to be Joomal 1.5 is priceless. It shows you the links people will go to. I have clients who specify Drupal as a framework when they have no idea what they are talking about. I say, the right tool for the job. Its as much a theological discussion as Mac vs. PC.
Your remark about spending your time on CSS instead of a specific framework is correct. That's the way to go and then you aren't constrained by any framework. Thanks for your thoughts.
Jud
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- Pixelita Designs <joni@pixelita.com> Mar 16 12:14PM -0500
A CMS is *not* a framework. But a standards-compliant framework can be created for just about any platform.
Joni Mueller
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- Chris Walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> Mar 17 01:16AM +0800
I was not referring to the CMS as a frame work as it is a Platform. I
was referring to the theme, which is the framework in this case.
On 3/17/2013 1:14 AM, Pixelita Designs wrote:
- Pixelita Designs <joni@pixelita.com> Mar 16 12:37PM -0500
A framework IMHO is a basic theme. No matter what CMS you are referring ti. I don't work with Joomla!, so I cannot comment on it, but as far as WordPress, Drupal, and CMS Made Simple are concerned, we have created our own barebones framework that contains our go-to functions. Especially with regard to WP, most premium themes out there are a mess to try to tweak beyond a handful of stylesheet settings. A novice wont be able to learn much from them; and they are bloatware to boot. Of the three CMSes that I mentioned, CMSMS is by far the easiest to customize.
Just my two cents.
Joni Mueller
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- Chris Walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> Mar 17 02:05AM +0800
I agree with you regarding the bloatware.. Thesis is a prime example of
a POS. Being a joomla guy, I prefer the WARP framework used by Yootheme
- They have a master theme that is barebones on their site for free for
Joomla and WordPress. I am partial to yootheme because I have had a
developer license since Joomla 1.0 and now we are at 3.03. I have been
able to evolve with them. If I want to change something, I know where it
is, no firebug required.
Their WordPress framework has a slight learning curve, but it is good
and solid. You are not limited to the sidebar and bottom for widgets. I
do not dabble much in wordpress. I am getting old and if i learn too
much I may run out of braincells and wake up not knowing my name because
my mind is full of web tech!
On the other hand, Another framework for Joomla and WordPress is Gantry.
We upgraded our dedicated to php 5.3 and all of the Gantry themes blew
up. I had a 20 hour workday due to that!
Another framework I am familiar with is T3 by Joomlaart for Joomla,
Drupal, and wordpress. That'll make you scratch your head a bit! I
recommend Rum after playing with their themes /framework.
I understand why you have your core tools in your toolbox and don't want
to venture over to the darkside.. If you tried Joomla in the old days it
was a nightmare and will leave a bad taste in your mouth. Now that 3.0
is out, it is not as clunky in the backend.
They have streamlined processes. One of the best improvements to the
workflow has been the addition of "Save and New" to articles, menus, and
modules. Before it was a matter of saving, waiting for the list of
current articles/menus/modules to come up then click new, then wait for
the editor to come up. The ability to bulk move and copy items, modules,
and menus and set permissions in one click is also a refinement.
Joomla is coming along, but not entirely user friendly - but that is
good for my business. People need me to fix their mistakes and those of
devs that tried, failed, and ran away - leaving the project a disaster.
Chris
On 3/17/2013 1:37 AM, Pixelita Designs wrote:
- Joni Mueller <joni@jonimueller.com> Mar 16 01:08PM -0500
Let me just put it this way: the last time I tried Joomla!, it was called Mambo. Don't laugh, at least not where I can hear you. :)
Joni Mueller
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On Mar 16, 2013, at 1:06 PM, "Chris Walker" <customsitepro@gmail.com<mailto:customsitepro@gmail.com>> wrote:
I agree with you regarding the bloatware.. Thesis is a prime example of a POS. Being a joomla guy, I prefer the WARP framework used by Yootheme - They have a master theme that is barebones on their site for free for Joomla and WordPress. I am partial to yootheme because I have had a developer license since Joomla 1.0 and now we are at 3.03. I have been able to evolve with them. If I want to change something, I know where it is, no firebug required.
Their WordPress framework has a slight learning curve, but it is good and solid. You are not limited to the sidebar and bottom for widgets. I do not dabble much in wordpress. I am getting old and if i learn too much I may run out of braincells and wake up not knowing my name because my mind is full of web tech!
On the other hand, Another framework for Joomla and WordPress is Gantry. We upgraded our dedicated to php 5.3 and all of the Gantry themes blew up. I had a 20 hour workday due to that!
Another framework I am familiar with is T3 by Joomlaart for Joomla, Drupal, and wordpress. That'll make you scratch your head a bit! I recommend Rum after playing with their themes /framework.
I understand why you have your core tools in your toolbox and don't want to venture over to the darkside.. If you tried Joomla in the old days it was a nightmare and will leave a bad taste in your mouth. Now that 3.0 is out, it is not as clunky in the backend.
They have streamlined processes. One of the best improvements to the workflow has been the addition of "Save and New" to articles, menus, and modules. Before it was a matter of saving, waiting for the list of current articles/menus/modules to come up then click new, then wait for the editor to come up. The ability to bulk move and copy items, modules, and menus and set permissions in one click is also a refinement.
Joomla is coming along, but not entirely user friendly - but that is good for my business. People need me to fix their mistakes and those of devs that tried, failed, and ran away - leaving the project a disaster.
Chris
On 3/17/2013 1:37 AM, Pixelita Designs wrote:
A framework IMHO is a basic theme. No matter what CMS you are referring ti. I don't work with Joomla!, so I cannot comment on it, but as far as WordPress, Drupal, and CMS Made Simple are concerned, we have created our own barebones framework that contains our go-to functions. Especially with regard to WP, most premium themes out there are a mess to try to tweak beyond a handful of stylesheet settings. A novice wont be able to learn much from them; and they are bloatware to boot. Of the three CMSes that I mentioned, CMSMS is by far the easiest to customize.
Just my two cents.
Joni Mueller
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On Mar 16, 2013, at 12:16 PM, Chris Walker <customsitepro@gmail.com<mailto:customsitepro@gmail.com>> wrote:
I was not referring to the CMS as a frame work as it is a Platform. I was referring to the theme, which is the framework in this case.
On 3/17/2013 1:14 AM, Pixelita Designs wrote:
A CMS is *not* a framework. But a standards-compliant framework can be created for just about any platform.
Joni Mueller
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On Mar 16, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Judson Vaughn <judsonvaughn@gmail.com<mailto:judsonvaughn@gmail.com>> wrote:
Chris,
I thoroughly second your motion 1) regarding the frameworks, and 2) getting a drink(s).
No one really talks about these framework themes, but you are onto something.
The frameworks, such as Drupal, Joomla and WP, are nice to get you going, but they are confining in so many ways.
I have found that reworking a regular theme to fit a need is far more liberating. The developer can work in HTML, CSS, and PHP and the the users can control content in a web-based CMS and everyone is happy.
And your story about the guy who reworked the Drupal theme to be Joomal 1.5 is priceless. It shows you the links people will go to. I have clients who specify Drupal as a framework when they have no idea what they are talking about. I say, the right tool for the job. Its as much a theological discussion as Mac vs. PC.
Your remark about spending your time on CSS instead of a specific framework is correct. That's the way to go and then you aren't constrained by any framework. Thanks for your thoughts.
Jud
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Pal <polyik.pal@gmail.com<mailto:polyik.pal@gmail.com>> Mar 14 11:25PM -0700
Hello!
Have you tried them? http://www.woothemes.com/woocommerce/
2013. március 14., csütörtök 17:16:15 UTC+1 időpontban galsaba a következőt
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chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com<mailto:customsitepro@gmail.com>> Mar 15 04:31PM +0800
Whatever you do, find a framework you like to work with and modify it to
suit on a per-site basis. Become a master of that framework. With CSS, you
can modify any theme to suit.
I have seen where some wild and crazy guy modified a drupal theme to look
like a vanilla Joomla 1.5 install - I have no idea why someone would do
that. Maybe his Xbox was in the shop or something.
It seems the theme shops hand out magic mushrooms to their devs so they can
imagine the ultimate non-user-friedly interface to inflict on the poor
souls that buy the theme. Learn CSS to develop your own stuff. That is
probably your best investment of time.
Can you tell I spent the last three hours screwing around with a whacked
WordPress site? Glad that is over with. I am traumatized now and need a
drink.
It's 5 o'clock somewhere!
Pixelita Designs <joni@pixelita.com<mailto:joni@pixelita.com>> Mar 15 07:22AM -0500
And if you are developing the site in the U.S., there is also the very serious issue of PCI compliance to think about.
Joni Mueller
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- Chris Walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> Mar 17 02:29AM +0800
I started using it right when they were forking due to the license
issue. I actually tried both, did some research regarding the possible
future of both forks and went with Joomla. I almost bailed when they
were developing 1.6 because the petty developers were having a battle of
egos and almost killed the joomla project altogether by banning each
other from the development team.
It was getting ugly and I started looking around for different tools
which was good for me to expand my horizons a bit. I did not want to
invest any time in a new CMS, so I went back to basics, working with
notepad++ and a browser, learned some mobile and responsive techniques,
studied rails and app development. Thankfully, I had a decent contract
that keeps food on the table while I was tripping around. This sidetrip
made me a better developer overall.
When 2.5 came out, I reluctantly started developing with Joomla again. I
missed my old friend! It is better than ever. The "Battle of the Nerds"
seems to be over for now. Joomla has been good to me and my family. I
work at home and my wife is a stay-at-home mother who devotes her time
to tutoring our kids to supplement what they learn in school. I think I
will stick with it!
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