Tuesday, February 14, 2012

[WD&D] Digest for sitedesign@googlegroups.com - 14 Messages in 3 Topics

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    Stuart Moules <stu.moules@googlemail.com> Feb 13 10:41AM  

    Hi Chris,
     
    Loved your site. Sounds good value. I am not that literate, but in your
    sample sites body text I noticed what looked like a little mistake:
     
    the word 'your' in the opening sentence for 'In your Face Photography'
    looks like it needed a capital 'Y'.
     
    Forgive me if I'm wrong as this might be how the clients business is
    worded. I only brought it to your attention because if it is a mistake,
    then the samples run on the footer for every page.
     
    The business model works gr8, here in the UK, we have a new company called
    1+1 my website which has been advertising on the TV recently. They let
    customers build there own site on the fly with templates and stock photos,
    maybe further down the line you could have your site more automated, and
    more instant, taking off the workload, but yours is gr8, I would pay $99
    for a mobile site.
     
    Regards, Stu.
     

     

    Stuart Moules <stu.moules@googlemail.com> Feb 13 11:11AM  

    Hi all,
     
    Face Photography - I get it... forgive me I'm just depressed.
     
    Top site, I haven't checked it all out thoroughly though.
     
    Looking to pimp it; I found forums in the UK for a government initiative to
    get businesses online by 2012, the plan is abbreviated GBBO. I think most
    countries are going the same way. The forums are full of people saying the
    plan in rubbish and if they had gone with another host...etc.
     
    Regards, Stu.
     
     
    On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Stuart Moules

     

    chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> Feb 13 08:25PM +0800  

    Stu,
     
    Thanks for the review. You are correct, that was a typo on my part. I have
    corrected it now.
     
    I am aware of 1and1.com We have a dedicated server hosted by them and
    their customer service is awful. We also have a dedicated at hostgator and
    they are awesome to deal with.
     
    On the subject of automation...
     
    The reason we are avoiding that is because I myself like the "personal"
    touch. If something does not look right, I can contact the customer for
    clarification. I believe it gives more value to have the site handcoded for
    each customer. Besides, if the customer prepares all images and text
    according to my tutorials, the site can be ready in an hour!
     
    In addition, I believe that automated site generators use some type of
    database so there are a lot of calls to the data base which slows down the
    site and imposes a security risk through injection.
     
    I will check out GBBO. Thanks for the tip!
     
     
    --
    Chris

     

    chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> Feb 13 11:08PM +0800  

    Doug,
     
    Thanks for catching that icon issue. The site is self hosted, the favicon
    was in the template and I did not catch it because I am browsing the site
    in Chrome.... I have just about given up on firefox also. I only use it
    for firebug because I like the ff interface for firebug.
     
    The template creates a mobile site, but it is pretty bland. I am trying to
    decide whether to spice it up or just put a script in to kick mobile
    browsers over to http://m.cheapmobilesites.com
     
    The problem is that the order form is not too mobile friendly (unless
    someone has all of the images for their site on their mobile device and
    they have a decent screen like a tablet) so I did not include it in the
    mobile version.
     
    This seems like it might cause a conversion problem because getting someone
    to switch to the desktop or laptop without getting distracted or losing
    interest is tricky. I am considering putting an "email yourself a reminder
    form on the order page in the mobile version to limit the losses.
     
     
     
    I put the site on this list for some reviews to assist me in making my site
    better and appreciate all commentary. I am still tinkering away between
    all of my regular work ans when I get inspired. I am hoping to go live soon.
     
    Here are some of the mobile links for you to click on with your mobile
    device:
     
    http://iyf.myresume.mobi
    ccwalker.myresume.mobi
    m.rockincakepops.com
     
     
    --
    Chris

     

    Joni Mueller <joni@jonimueller.com> Feb 13 09:26AM -0600  

    I just wonder if this is something there will be a continuing need for, now that everyone is on the "responsive design" bandwagon. I kept my pixelita.mobi site just cuz, but it's running WordPress and uses a mobile plugin. The only thing I don't like about this particular mobile plugin is that it shows you "blog" posts and not pages, and a lot of business sites running WP have pages as their main content.
     
    Are *.mobi domains still viable or a waste of money? So many mobile sites use the scheme m.mycoolsite.com and such. Doug? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
     
     
    Joni Mueller
    Pixelita Designs
    http://www.pixelita.com
    ________________________________________
    From: sitedesign@googlegroups.com [sitedesign@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chris walker [customsitepro@gmail.com]
    Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:08 AM
    To: sitedesign@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: [WD&D] Opinion on new site
     
    Doug,
     
    Thanks for catching that icon issue. The site is self hosted, the favicon was in the template and I did not catch it because I am browsing the site in Chrome.... I have just about given up on firefox also. I only use it for firebug because I like the ff interface for firebug.
     
    The template creates a mobile site, but it is pretty bland. I am trying to decide whether to spice it up or just put a script in to kick mobile browsers over to http://m.cheapmobilesites.com
     
    The problem is that the order form is not too mobile friendly (unless someone has all of the images for their site on their mobile device and they have a decent screen like a tablet) so I did not include it in the mobile version.
     
    This seems like it might cause a conversion problem because getting someone to switch to the desktop or laptop without getting distracted or losing interest is tricky. I am considering putting an "email yourself a reminder form on the order page in the mobile version to limit the losses.
     
     
     
    I put the site on this list for some reviews to assist me in making my site better and appreciate all commentary. I am still tinkering away between all of my regular work ans when I get inspired. I am hoping to go live soon.
     
    Here are some of the mobile links for you to click on with your mobile device:
     
    http://iyf.myresume.mobi
    ccwalker.myresume.mobi<http://ccwalker.myresume.mobi>
    m.rockincakepops.com<http://m.rockincakepops.com>

     

    chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> Feb 13 11:40PM +0800  

    I don't think the .mobi went over so well. Godaddy doesn't think so either
    as they are selling them for about $7.00 these days. I only used the .mobi
    for myresume because it is short and the site is designed for mobile
    devices. I am thinking about offering more domains for people to choose
    from that describe their business or profession if they do not want to
    bring their own domain. Whether they will be .mobi or not I am not sure,
    but it plays along with my business model of mobi only
     
    One thing is for sure, mobile devices are not going away. They are expected
    to have more market share as far as browsers go this year. Last September a
    report was published that only 40% of the top 1000 sites on Alexa are
    mobile friendly at all and only 1.25% of sites across the web are mobile
    friendly. I believe the need for mobile sites is going to increase although
    the .mobi domains are not so important which leaves them for people that
    want to get a short name that they otherwise could not get.
     
     
    --
    Chris

     

    Joni Mueller <joni@jonimueller.com> Feb 13 10:28AM -0600  

    Yes, I agree mobile sites are the thing, with everyone (myself included) having smartphones (me an iPhone) and tablets (me an iPad and a Nokia Internet Tablet). But responsive design takes care of the need for a 'separate' mobile only site. While they are a bit of a PITA to master, they are the wave of the future. So my question is do you perceive responsive design to be a current or future threat to your endeavor?
     
    Just curious and playing devil's advocate here. :)
     
    Joni Mueller
    Pixelita Designs
    http://www.pixelita.com
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    From: sitedesign@googlegroups.com [sitedesign@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chris walker [customsitepro@gmail.com]
    Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:40 AM
    To: sitedesign@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: [WD&D] Opinion on new site
     
    I don't think the .mobi went over so well. Godaddy doesn't think so either as they are selling them for about $7.00 these days. I only used the .mobi for myresume because it is short and the site is designed for mobile devices. I am thinking about offering more domains for people to choose from that describe their business or profession if they do not want to bring their own domain. Whether they will be .mobi or not I am not sure, but it plays along with my business model of mobi only
     
    One thing is for sure, mobile devices are not going away. They are expected to have more market share as far as browsers go this year. Last September a report was published that only 40% of the top 1000 sites on Alexa are mobile friendly at all and only 1.25% of sites across the web are mobile friendly. I believe the need for mobile sites is going to increase although the .mobi domains are not so important which leaves them for people that want to get a short name that they otherwise could not get.
     
    On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Artist <sitepro@gmail.com<mailto:sitepro@gmail.com>> wrote:
    I just let a bunch of my mobi domains expire, though they were protecting brands that have not yet been developed. I would keep my genereic names, but I think I am doing the m.domainers.name<http://m.domainers.name> format in the future, as I fire-up mobile content (still haven't, but want to, just too many irons in the fire).
     
    -Doug
     
     
    Doug Peters
    (605) 610-9001<tel:%28605%29%20610-9001> (Google phone) or 1-800-279-2156<tel:1-800-279-2156>
    http://www.Doug-Peters.com http://www.twitter.com/Domainating
    http://www.facebook.com/people/Douglas-Peters/1628191759
    http://www.W3DN.com http://www.DomainHostmaster.com http://www.Domainers.Name http://www.PremiumBrand.Name http://www.HDWebHosting.com http://www.ApacheWebsiteHost.com http://www.PhotoshopPros.com http://www.SymbioticDesign.com http://www.AddURLEngine.com http://www.TopSitesCatalog.com http://www.HyperlinkDirectory.com http://www.Worthful.Info http://www.Reciprocate.Info http://www.httpmaster.com
     
     
    On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Joni Mueller <joni@jonimueller.com<mailto:joni@jonimueller.com>> wrote:
    I just wonder if this is something there will be a continuing need for, now that everyone is on the "responsive design" bandwagon. I kept my pixelita.mobi<http://pixelita.mobi> site just cuz, but it's running WordPress and uses a mobile plugin. The only thing I don't like about this particular mobile plugin is that it shows you "blog" posts and not pages, and a lot of business sites running WP have pages as their main content.
     
    Are *.mobi domains still viable or a waste of money? So many mobile sites use the scheme m.mycoolsite.com<http://m.mycoolsite.com> and such. Doug? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
     
     
    Joni Mueller
    Pixelita Designs
    http://www.pixelita.com
    ________________________________________
    From: sitedesign@googlegroups.com<mailto:sitedesign@googlegroups.com> [sitedesign@googlegroups.com<mailto:sitedesign@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of chris walker [customsitepro@gmail.com<mailto:customsitepro@gmail.com>]
    Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:08 AM
    To: sitedesign@googlegroups.com<mailto:sitedesign@googlegroups.com>
    Subject: Re: [WD&D] Opinion on new site
     
    Doug,
     
    Thanks for catching that icon issue. The site is self hosted, the favicon was in the template and I did not catch it because I am browsing the site in Chrome.... I have just about given up on firefox also. I only use it for firebug because I like the ff interface for firebug.
     
    The template creates a mobile site, but it is pretty bland. I am trying to decide whether to spice it up or just put a script in to kick mobile browsers over to http://m.cheapmobilesites.com
     
    The problem is that the order form is not too mobile friendly (unless someone has all of the images for their site on their mobile device and they have a decent screen like a tablet) so I did not include it in the mobile version.
     
    This seems like it might cause a conversion problem because getting someone to switch to the desktop or laptop without getting distracted or losing interest is tricky. I am considering putting an "email yourself a reminder form on the order page in the mobile version to limit the losses.
     
     
     
    I put the site on this list for some reviews to assist me in making my site better and appreciate all commentary. I am still tinkering away between all of my regular work ans when I get inspired. I am hoping to go live soon.
     
    Here are some of the mobile links for you to click on with your mobile device:
     
    http://iyf.myresume.mobi
    ccwalker.myresume.mobi<http://ccwalker.myresume.mobi><http://ccwalker.myresume.mobi>
    m.rockincakepops.com<http://m.rockincakepops.com><http://m.rockincakepops.com>
     
     
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    chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> Feb 14 03:02AM +0800  

    I am definitely a proponent of responsive design. I believe it is
    especially useful for designing for desktop fluid to tablet. however when
    it gets down to 320px wide format it leaves a lot to be desired. You can
    get away with creating a menu in the top of the site or even in a column
    that looks good on the desktop and tablets, but it does not look so great
    on the phones.
     
    The mobile phone has a "style" of it's own and I believe that people expect
    content to appear "native" on the phones with a toolbar or buttons that are
    familiar. The screen has only so much room to display information and it
    needs to be efficient (in my opinion).
     
    If anything I would go responsive down to tablet width then build a mobile
    site for the phones.
     
    Do I recognize the impact of responsive web design? YES! Do I consider it
    a threat? Not really, because there are going to people such as
    musicians, artists, job seekers, handymen etc etc that don't need a full
    site because they don't have enough content to fill one. They can use one
    of these cheap sites and put a QR code on their resume, business
    card, fliers, door-hangers, or even on a magnetic sign on their vehicle.
     
    I am just one guy living in the tropics with my wife and 3 kids (+1 on the
    way) and I do not need to make too much more additional income to raise my
    quality of life to a level we would be comfortable. 3 or 4 sites a week
    (even with paying 40% affiliate commissions) would make enough of a
    difference to make it worth my while. If I get lucky and get swamped, then
    all the better.
     
    I guess my strategy once I get the bugs worked out is going be to try to
    get as many affiliates signed up as I can and get enough impressions out
    there that I can pick up a few sites a week. I am paying 40% over 2 tiers
    (30% direct and 10% on the second tier) which is very generous. We will
    also sub out at a 40% discount. I am not looking to get rich or even too
    busy, I have too sweet of a deal with my "day job" to walk away from it.
     
    Thanks again to all who have given me input! I will continue to read
    responses and use your commentary to improve my product.
     
     
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    Chris

     

    Justin W Hall <justin@justinwhall.com> Feb 13 02:06PM -0700  

    On Feb 13, 2012, at 12:02 PM, chris walker wrote:
     
    > I am definitely a proponent of responsive design. I believe it is especially useful for designing for desktop fluid to tablet. however when it gets down to 320px wide format it leaves a lot to be desired. You can get away with creating a menu in the top of the site or even in a column that looks good on the desktop and tablets, but it does not look so great on the phones.
     
     
    Why not? If it doesn't look good, then then change the CSS in the appropriate media query.
     
    Back to the OP - Your site doesn't span 100% on my iphone. Also, if you make the browser window small enough that there is horizontal scroll, then scroll right, the footer does't span 100%.

     

    bejoy vc <bejoyvc@gmail.com> Feb 13 08:00AM -0800  

    thanks. it worked. your link helped me. the extension/ format of audio
    must be .ogg to support all browsers..
     

     

    umiwangu <umiwangu@gmail.com> Feb 13 02:40AM -0800  

    Anyone?
     

     

    Aaron Craig <info@aaroncraig.com> Feb 13 02:14PM +0100  

    It would be helpful if you send us the code in question.
     
    I have a lot of experience with Paypal IPN, so if you prefer to contact me
    off list I can also help you in private.
     
    Aaron Craig
    Performance International / Evolving Design
    http://performance-international.net
    http://evolving-design.com
     
     
     
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