Sunday, February 19, 2012

[WD&D] Digest for sitedesign@googlegroups.com - 25 Messages in 12 Topics

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    Bazinga Designs <bazingadesigns@gmail.com> Feb 19 05:28AM -0800  

    Hi WebJinks, i won't post anything new but WordPress is an excellent
    choice. It's so well documented, has amazing post / pages publishing
    options, it's easy to get started and it's fast and you can basically make
    it do anything you want.

     

    Joni Mueller <joni@jonimueller.com> Feb 19 08:40AM -0600  

    Well you know I have to chime in with CMS Made Simple. It's basically drop and go, as demonstrated by this video:
    http://www.cmsmadesimple.org/uploads/media/mint_chocolate.htm
     
     
    Joni Mueller
    Pixelita Designs
    http://www.pixelita.com
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    From: sitedesign@googlegroups.com [sitedesign@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bazinga Designs [bazingadesigns@gmail.com]
    Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 7:28 AM
    To: sitedesign@googlegroups.com
    Subject: [WD&D] Re: Creating a CMS Template
     
    Hi WebJinks, i won't post anything new but WordPress is an excellent choice. It's so well documented, has amazing post / pages publishing options, it's easy to get started and it's fast and you can basically make it do anything you want.

     

    chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> Feb 19 10:46PM +0800  

    I also have created a few Joomla templates and find it tedious to start
    from scratch. Up until the last few months, I worked exclusively on Joomla
    sites for the company I call my "day job" for 3 years and have recycled
    about 60 templates in that time. One of the most frustrating things about
    joomla is the jquery / mootols compatibility issue.
     
    As Webjinks pointed out, Joomla templates from scratch are a pain in the
    a$$. Modifying someone else's template to suit can be more work than it is
    worth depending on who designed the template originally. There are quite a
    few template frameworks out there including T3 by Joomlart, Gantry by
    RocketTheme, Warp by Yootheme, Morph by Joomla Junkie, S5 by Shape5, A T3
    variation by Gavick, and XTC by JoomlaXTC.
     
    I have worked with them all and most of them are junk. Of the group above,
    I prefer Warp, Gantry, then T3 in that order. When I visualize a template
    to recycle, I focus on the menu system. I select what works for the project
    I am doing and then modify the est of the template to match.
     
    We have a graphic artist that thinks way outside the box on stuff that can
    come up with some beautiful headers. Her and I bounce off of each other
    with the input of the site owner and the results are good
    to excellent depending on your personal taste. For our niche, they work out
    well. I have to admit we have come up with a couple designs that the
    visitor might think we were shrooming when we designed it.
     
    We have been working together for quite awhile so we know how to bring out
    the best in each other. The owner of the site and I work together over the
    phone to come up with a basic template we like.I modify css files and
    upload them then he refreshes his browser and we discuss and make more
    changes. We can develop like this very quickly. If we work via email it
    takes days to do what we can do in a few minutes live. Then we unleash the
    graphic designer on it and then I use elements from her header to accent
    the site and pull it all together. It it truly an international effort
    since I am in the Philippines, the artist is in Russia, and the home office
    is in Ohio.
     
    We have learned not to reinvent the wheel, just redecorate it. I would
    suggest if you want a decent Joomla theme to use as your base, then go to
    Yootheme.com and poke around. They have been templating for 5 years that I
    know of and have a great selection of templates that can be modified
    easily. The framework they created has a great layout for module positions
    and the mods you have to make are pretty straight forward.
     
    Firebug is your friend!.
     
     
    I used to shy away from wordpress because I did not like the frameworks
    that were available to work with. Now that Yootheme has gotten into
    wordpress and ported their framework over I can work in wordpress as easily
    as Joomla because the structure theme-wise is pretty much the same on both
    platforms.
     
    It is perfectly ethical and fine to recycle another designer's template
    once you buy it from them.
     
    Good luck finding the best all around CMS. you have a lot of work ahead of
    you going through them all.
     
     
    On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Bazinga Designs
     
    --
    Chris

     

    Joni Mueller <joni@jonimueller.com> Feb 19 08:47AM -0600  

    And here is a link to CMS Made Simple.
    http://www.cmsmadesimple.org
     
    A lot of beautiful sites have been created with it; it's perfect for a small business or non profit site.
     
    Joni Mueller
    Pixelita Designs
    http://www.pixelita.com
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    From: sitedesign@googlegroups.com [sitedesign@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joni Mueller [joni@jonimueller.com]
    Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 8:40 AM
    To: sitedesign@googlegroups.com
    Subject: RE: [WD&D] Re: Creating a CMS Template
     
    Well you know I have to chime in with CMS Made Simple. It's basically drop and go, as demonstrated by this video:
    http://www.cmsmadesimple.org/uploads/media/mint_chocolate.htm

     

    WebJinks <webjinks@gmail.com> Feb 19 08:09AM -0800  

    I haven't worked with WordPress nearly as much as Joomla and the
    template creation is a little bit easier but if i'm going through the
    trouble, I would choose the functionality of Joomla over Wordpress.
     
    Most of the WP add-ons are based on Joomla and it's a blog script at
    heart where joomla is a super CMS and so much more.
    I don't care for WP's admin section too.
     
    Thanks for the input and always listening to arguments to change my
    views.
     

     

    WebJinks <webjinks@gmail.com> Feb 19 08:28AM -0800  

    Hello Joni,
     
    CMS made simple is on my radar because it fits the model.
    I just haven't worked with it that much.
     
    I must say that the video is impressive and is exactly the template
    system I am looking for.
    Simply starting with an HTML/CSS and adding template tags.
    - I love the amount of mods. Are they mostly FREE?
    - The support forum also seems to be fairly active
     
    Everything looked good until I got a "Reported Attack Page" warning.
    Either this site has been hacked multiple times or they are practicing
    illegal behavior.
    See for yourself, also see link explaining the warning:
     
    Screen Cap
    http://tatown.com/files/CMSms.jpg
     
    Link to report:
    http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?client=Firefox&hl=en-US&site=http://www.cmsmadesimple.org/support/services
     
     

     

    chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> Feb 20 12:28AM +0800  

    I originally built cheapmobilesites.com in Joomla and was using paypal
    buttons in jumi for checkout. When I decided to implement the affiliate
    program, I did not find any in the JED that suited my needs and definitely
    did not want to install virtue-mart for 1 product so I ended up using the
    same template in WordPress after I found a really nice cart that has an
    affiliate system plugin that is seamless. Otherwise it would be in Joomla.
    In my not-so-humble opinion, ecommerce extensions are lacking for Joomla.
    Other than that I am a Joomla fan-boy.
     
     
    --
    Chris

     

    Joni Mueller <joni@jonimueller.com> Feb 19 08:37PM -0600  

    Ugh. I loathe Joomla! It's overkill for most web sites, it's not standards-compliant (but I hear tell that is changing with some new release). I always pass prospective clients who insist on Joomla! to my Joomla! loving colleagues. Probably for the same reason you eschew WP. :)
     
     
    Joni Mueller
    Pixelita Designs
    http://www.pixelita.com
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    From: sitedesign@googlegroups.com [sitedesign@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of WebJinks [webjinks@gmail.com]
    Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 10:09 AM
    To: Web Design and Development
    Subject: [WD&D] Re: Creating a CMS Template
     
    I haven't worked with WordPress nearly as much as Joomla and the
    template creation is a little bit easier but if i'm going through the
    trouble, I would choose the functionality of Joomla over Wordpress.
     
    Most of the WP add-ons are based on Joomla and it's a blog script at
    heart where joomla is a super CMS and so much more.
    I don't care for WP's admin section too.
     
    Thanks for the input and always listening to arguments to change my
    views.
     
     
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    WebJinks <webjinks@gmail.com> Feb 19 09:20AM -0800  

    I currently pay for a dedicated server but am thinking about using a
    CDN, dropping the dedicated and moving to a cheaper VPS or just shared
    hosting.
     
    CDN = Content delivery network
    VPS = Virtuial private server
     
    I can do Google searches all day but wanted to hear from someone
    actually doing this.
    What CDN do you use?
    What is the downside of using one?
    How much is it costing you?
    How do you test it to make sure it's working (more specifically, is it
    delivering content from the nearest place that it's requested)?
    Have you encountered any errors?
    If so, what is the most common?
     
    Any information you can provide will be much appreciated!!!

     

    Artist <sitepro@gmail.com> Feb 19 02:38PM -0600  

    Are you talking about all those cloud services? They sound good, still
    have to try one.
     
    Doug Peters
     
     
     

     

    Prakash Kotian <prakashkotian@gmail.com> Feb 19 12:38PM +0530  

    Hi Friends,
     
    We have developed portal site about the tourist places information. I am
    looking for suggestion to improve the popularity of the site and improve
    the user interaction in site.
     
    http://www.udupipages.com
    The complete information guide of udupi district
     
    looking for suggestion for the site
     
     
    --
    Regards
    Prakash K Kotian

     

    WebJinks <webjinks@gmail.com> Feb 19 09:05AM -0800  

    LOVE IT!!!
     
    Almost as good as announcing that "I want to open a website".
     

     

    WebJinks <webjinks@gmail.com> Feb 19 09:02AM -0800  

    Does eBay allow you to add an external CSS?
    Have you tried the old <font> tags?
     
    The older versions of DreamWeaver let you uncheck a box in preferences
    that say "use CSS instead of font tags".
    (Not exactly but something close to that)
     
     

     

    Chris Walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> Feb 19 09:00AM -0800  

    There is not really much to be critical of. I like the change in theme
    except for their shades of avocado, baby puke, and split pea soup
    green in their logo. With your layout, it would look nicer if they
    were shades of tan / beige. Obviously, they aren't going to redo their
    logo to go with your site design so it is a non-issue. However, in the
    old design, there are other elements that accent the page that use the
    avocado, baby puke, and split pea green so the logo does not stick out
    like a sore thumb. Maybe you can add some more of that wonderful
    green?
     
    It seems that the first site was aimed at the consumer, hence the
    happy hippy-chick. Now it seems the focus is wholesale foodservice so
    you have the nerdy office pic instead. Any way to have a happy hippy-
    chick in an office receiving the coffee. I just don't get a feeling
    "this cooffee is cool" from that guy.
     
    The brown theme is definitely a change for the better though.
     
    Chris
     

     

    WebJinks <webjinks@gmail.com> Feb 19 08:53AM -0800  

    I don't want to start a whole new subject but why are you using
    GoDaddy in the first place.
    They are one of the top 5 worst hosting companies on the planet.
     
    I must admit that they are getting a little better with support but
    they still spend 80% of their budget on advertising instead of servers
    and support.
    I'm sure there are a ton of hosting threads but I may start another.
    If I do, I will post link here.
     

     

    WebJinks <webjinks@gmail.com> Feb 19 08:43AM -0800  

    Why don't you just use .htaccess
     
    RewriteEngine On
    RewriteCond %{SERVER_PORT} 80
    RewriteRule ^(.*)$ https://www.example.com/$1 [R,L]
     

     

    WebJinks <webjinks@gmail.com> Feb 18 11:31PM -0800  

    I didn't read through other responses but here are my "Likes and
    Dislikes"
     
    Likes:
    - Love the image hover menu. It really makes it look custom with the
    cufon
    - Good job on the typography
    - The overall navigation is perfect
     
    Dislikes
    (If there are more dislikes, it just means that it's easier to tear
    apart a design then compliment one)
    - I would change the logo, it uses the same font as the rest of the
    site and looks more like an H1 tag then a logo
    - You tend to make the text converted to images huge in size, I would
    tone it down
    - Where is the color scheme? I can see grey and 3 shades of blue. The
    red doesn't even belong here
    - I would distinct the homepage from the other pages in the site. Make
    it look more like a "landing page".
    - The "landing page" is obviously the trend that took shape in 2008
    and it's one I tend to love it.
    - Lastly, where are all the images?
     
     

     

    chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> Feb 19 11:38PM +0800  

    Webjinks, thanks for the input. I have made some changes / enhancements
    taking your comments into consideration.
     
    I have added images to the front page, products and services page, and the
    order page.
     
    I have changed the phone number image over to the same font and color
    scheme as the scyscraper.
     
    I also changed the logo. I went with smaller text matching the phone number
    and scyscraper and added a tagline
     
    Thanks again for the observations and critique. I hope I m getting closer.
    The numerous comments in the thread have been very helpful.
     
     
    --
    Chris

     

    chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> Feb 20 12:40AM +0800  

    Actually, I did not make any changes to the navigation. what have you
    observed and which browser are you using?
     
     
    --
    Chris

     

    WebJinks <webjinks@gmail.com> Feb 18 11:36PM -0800  

    I agree with Chris about the width but disagree about using a fluid
    layout because it tends to cause more headaches then it worth.
    Stick to a fixed layout.
     
    One of my websites actually has a different stylesheet that switch for
    different screen resolutions.
    I would go this route if you really want your site to take up the same
    amount of space in the screen regardless or the users resolution.
     
    It's a very simple technique.
     

     

    niranjan sawant <niranjangb@gmail.com> Feb 19 03:59PM +0530  

    I would say go for 980 to 1000 and go with fluid i agree can be a pain
    sometimes but it is recommended if u want people on mobile devices to have
    compatibility issues especially TAB.....
     
     

     

    WebJinks <webjinks@gmail.com> Feb 18 11:12PM -0800  

    I understand your client needs and have this exact setup.
    I use it specifically to track which people sell my email to spammers.
    EX: If I sign up for a newsletter at wired, I use wired@domain1.com
     
    It's much easier then you think and can be done using catch-all
     
    Setup:
     
    1. Setup domain1 as a catch-all
    - I have hostgator and by default catch-all is disabled but I just
    hopped on live chat and enabled it
     
    2. Setup an email domain forwarder on domain1 to a single email on
    domain2
    - I used catch@domain2.com
     
    That's it.
    Now you can use any prefix@domain1.com and it will show up in
    domain2's inbox with the prefix and everything.
     
    I hope I explained this ok because I setup this for myself a year ago
    and couldn't live without it.
    If a prefix gets flooded, I simply disable it by using cpanel's "User
    Level Filtering"
    Just tell it to "Send failed message" for prefix@fdomain1.com
     
     
     
     

     

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