Tuesday, May 29, 2012

[WD&D] Digest for sitedesign@googlegroups.com - 25 Messages in 3 Topics

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    Ilija Milovic <milovicilija96@gmail.com> May 29 09:14PM +0200  

    Can i add here some other elements and to keep them resized too?
    How to add some transition effects on slideshow?
    How to make some menu transition?
    And have You some tutorials on it ?
     

     

    "George Gral" <george@encoreent.net> May 29 12:17PM -0700  

    Hi Chris.

    My site used to be in Joomla but I had issues with it and when I tried to
    have it added to my ip provider they had no idea how to deal with it.

    I did find the 1.0 and 1.5 clunky and it did not really give me the options
    I wanted. It was limited in too many ways.

    I am open to it though.



    George Gral CMCA, AMS, PCAM


     
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    From: sitedesign@googlegroups.com [mailto:sitedesign@googlegroups.com] On
    Behalf Of chris walker
    Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 11:47 AM
    To: Web Design and Development
    Subject: [WD&D] 1 of my current projects
     
     
    As I have mentioned. I build mostly in joomla. About 4 years ago, I started
    building about 60 Joomla 1.5 websites. I am now rebuilding them in 2.5
     
    Here is the old site: http://sanantoniobartendingschool.org
    <http://sanantoniobartendingschool.org/rebuild/>
     
    Here is the new site (in progress) :
    http://sanantoniobartendingschool.org/rebuild/
     
    We are using more Jquery in the new sites. If you tried Joomla 1.0 or 1.5
    and did not care for the clunky admin interface, you owe it to yourself to
    take 2.5 for a spin
     
     
    --
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    chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> May 30 03:17AM +0800  

    It uses jqueryplugins, so just about anything you can imagine you can do.
    Read the docs at http://bootswatch.com
     
     
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    chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> May 30 03:24AM +0800  

    George,
     
    If your hosting provider is using PLESK to manage the server, there are
    some serious issues with Joomla due to the fact that every time you upload
    a component, plugin, or module to the site, PLESK will give APACHE
    ownership of the files and you cannot edit them. The host can write a cron
    job to run that changes the ownership back to you automatically, but that
    solution is resource intensive if done often and inconvenient if not.
     
    Who is your host?
     
     
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    Joni Mueller <joni@jonimueller.com> May 29 02:24PM -0500  

    Never wrapped my head around Joomla! I stick with WordPress and CMS Made Simple. CMS-MS is flying under the radar for now and is not as prone to hack attacks as the popular WordPress is, and because of its easy backend, I put most of my small biz and NFPs on it. They love it. We are even now working on developing an ecommerce site with it.
     
    I don't create any sites that aren't based on one CMS or another. Those are the two we focus on, but we have also built with TextPattern, ExpressionEngine and Get Simple CMS (that's one you might like; small footprint, flat file [doesn't use a database]; easy peasy to install and update).
     
    Joni Mueller
    Pixelita Designs
    http://www.pixelita.com
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    From: sitedesign@googlegroups.com [sitedesign@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of George Gral [george@encoreent.net]
    Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 2:17 PM
    To: sitedesign@googlegroups.com
    Subject: RE: [WD&D] 1 of my current projects
     
    Hi Chris.
     
    My site used to be in Joomla but I had issues with it and when I tried to have it added to my ip provider they had no idea how to deal with it.
     
    I did find the 1.0 and 1.5 clunky and it did not really give me the options I wanted. It was limited in too many ways.
     
    I am open to it though.
     
     
     
    George Gral CMCA, AMS, PCAM

     

    "George Gral" <george@encoreent.net> May 29 12:33PM -0700  

    My host is Cbeyond.


    George Gral CMCA, AMS, PCAM


     
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    From: sitedesign@googlegroups.com [mailto:sitedesign@googlegroups.com] On
    Behalf Of chris walker
    Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:24 PM
    To: sitedesign@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: [WD&D] 1 of my current projects
     
     
    George,
     
    If your hosting provider is using PLESK to manage the server, there are some
    serious issues with Joomla due to the fact that every time you upload a
    component, plugin, or module to the site, PLESK will give APACHE ownership
    of the files and you cannot edit them. The host can write a cron job to run
    that changes the ownership back to you automatically, but that solution is
    resource intensive if done often and inconvenient if not.
     
    Who is your host?
     
     
    On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:17 AM, chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com>
    wrote:
     
     
    It uses jqueryplugins, so just about anything you can imagine you can do.
    Read the docs at http://bootswatch.com
     
     
    On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Ilija Milovic <milovicilija96@gmail.com>
    wrote:
     
     
    Can i add here some other elements and to keep them resized too?
    How to add some transition effects on slideshow?
    How to make some menu transition?
    And have You some tutorials on it ?
     
     
    On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:46 PM, chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com>
    wrote:
     
     
    As I have mentioned. I build mostly in joomla. About 4 years ago, I started
    building about 60 Joomla 1.5 websites. I am now rebuilding them in 2.5
     
    Here is the old site: http://sanantoniobartendingschool.org
    <http://sanantoniobartendingschool.org/rebuild/>
     
    Here is the new site (in progress) :
    http://sanantoniobartendingschool.org/rebuild/
     
    We are using more Jquery in the new sites. If you tried Joomla 1.0 or 1.5
    and did not care for the clunky admin interface, you owe it to yourself to
    take 2.5 for a spin
     
     
    --
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    chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> May 30 03:47AM +0800  

    George,
     
    The Cbeyond website currently claims they support Joomla
     
     
    --
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    chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> May 30 03:58AM +0800  

    @Joni,
     
    Wordpress has one thing good going for it. It is a corporation, therefore
    they have tight regulations for inclusion in their plugin directory.
     
    Joomla is a foundation. Things can get hard sometimes when extension
    developers use sloppy code. Reviews are useless as shills commentspam the
    directories (all directories everywhere). You have to find what works and
    fix what does not.
     
    My main contract emails me about once a week with an "I hate Joomla " in
    the subject.. It use to be almost everyday, so I guess either I or Joomla
    is getting better. When I get a "Joomla sucks" email from him I reply with
    " I agree, lets go with Drupal!" That quiets him down for awhile.
     
    Honestly, I almost gave up on Joomla at version 1.5.22 but then 2.5 came
    out and it renewed my faith.
     
     
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    "George Gral" <george@encoreent.net> May 29 01:54PM -0700  

    I know they do and then when I sent them my Joomla web site they could not
    do anything and had no one on staff to be able to upload it to their
    servers.

    They are good at T1 and phone service but Joomla NO WAY>


    George Gral CMCA, AMS, PCAM


     
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    From: sitedesign@googlegroups.com [mailto:sitedesign@googlegroups.com] On
    Behalf Of chris walker
    Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:47 PM
    To: sitedesign@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: [WD&D] 1 of my current projects
     
     
    George,
     
    The Cbeyond website currently claims they support Joomla
     
     
    On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:33 AM, George Gral <george@encoreent.net> wrote:
     
     
     
    My host is Cbeyond.


    George Gral CMCA, AMS, PCAM


     
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    From: sitedesign@googlegroups.com [mailto:sitedesign@googlegroups.com] On
    Behalf Of chris walker
     
    Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:24 PM
    To: sitedesign@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: [WD&D] 1 of my current projects
     
     
    George,
     
    If your hosting provider is using PLESK to manage the server, there are some
    serious issues with Joomla due to the fact that every time you upload a
    component, plugin, or module to the site, PLESK will give APACHE ownership
    of the files and you cannot edit them. The host can write a cron job to run
    that changes the ownership back to you automatically, but that solution is
    resource intensive if done often and inconvenient if not.
     
    Who is your host?
     
     
    On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:17 AM, chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com>
    wrote:
     
     
    It uses jqueryplugins, so just about anything you can imagine you can do.
    Read the docs at http://bootswatch.com
     
     
    On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Ilija Milovic <milovicilija96@gmail.com>
    wrote:
     
     
    Can i add here some other elements and to keep them resized too?
    How to add some transition effects on slideshow?
    How to make some menu transition?
    And have You some tutorials on it ?
     
     
    On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:46 PM, chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com>
    wrote:
     
     
    As I have mentioned. I build mostly in joomla. About 4 years ago, I started
    building about 60 Joomla 1.5 websites. I am now rebuilding them in 2.5
     
    Here is the old site: http://sanantoniobartendingschool.org
    <http://sanantoniobartendingschool.org/rebuild/>
     
    Here is the new site (in progress) :
    http://sanantoniobartendingschool.org/rebuild/
     
    We are using more Jquery in the new sites. If you tried Joomla 1.0 or 1.5
    and did not care for the clunky admin interface, you owe it to yourself to
    take 2.5 for a spin
     
     
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    chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> May 30 05:05AM +0800  

    from what I read on forums, they are not that good at hosting any sites. I
    host, and I can reccomend GOOD cheap hosting for you
     
     
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    Artist <sitepro@gmail.com> May 29 05:34PM -0500  

    Now, everytime I clicked the link to go to the old site, the new one
    showed-up. Is the new site live? Oh, no, you must have bled one link over
    to another.
     
    I'd say that "That is a fantastic improvement, though the old one wasn't so
    bad, it certainly has been outdated with the new one."
     
    Cool. Good job.

     

    chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> May 29 06:55PM +0800  

    Doug,
     
    I thought my review was tough! Living abroad has taught me quite a bit
    about regional tastes. What we (Americans) like, other people find bland.
    In some countries, they like bold contrasting colors and textures. I
    believe it is due to a lack of choices in times of the past. Have a look at
    this old classic Wendy's commercial:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CaMUfxVJVQ for reference. What makes us
    cringe, is entirely acceptable in some markets.
     
    My wife and I are shocked and amazed what some people wear here in The
    Philippines. Any given day of the week you can see a young lady wearing her
    finest outfit which consists of something like a camouflage top with a
    floral skirt, or maybe plaid and camo, plaid and floral, floral and stripe.
    Sometimes even a combo of three items, one each of camo, flora, and stripe
    or plaid. To top things off she might wear zebra-print high heels.
    Creative wardrobing is so persistent here that degree programs for
    professionals here have courses that detail how to match your clothes
    properly.
     
    What makes some people cringe is very attractive to others. We dwell on
    subtleties such as shades - We love to use Adobe Kuler (all designers
    should!) and others think the more color the better. They are "Loud and
    Proud" and it works for them in their market or niche. I have some sites I
    have designed and built that are high contrast with black and bold colors.
    They are built specifically for a target audience and reflect that.
     
    I guess I am saying that your color commentary, while entirely technically
    accurate from our viewpoint was pretty harsh. I realize the color scheme
    makes your eyes (and mine) bleed but I didn't mention that because Ididn't
    want him to feel like he was being bullied.
     
    Ilija has emailed me on the side. I have decided to try to help him out if
    I can. I am going to create an instance of his English version in
    Bootstrap for him and post it. It will be a quick and dirty, but it should
    help him out. He can download a zip and see the code..
    --
    Chris

     

    Ernest Okojie <nestkojex@gmail.com> May 29 02:04PM +0100  

    Good day Chris, i visited www.bootswatch.com as you advised. got the
    CSS files to download but there was no corresponding html to apply the
    css to, or am i to build that from scratch myself?
    It also introduced me to LESS style formatting as an alternative to
    css, what's your stance on this?
    The Kuler stuff was pretty cool but it offered me the themed colours
    in an adobe file format i could not use, i was expecting it would
    render the colour codes in plain text.
    I really like your constructive criticism on this site and the
    solutions proffered.
    Thanks.
     
     
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    chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> May 29 09:48PM +0800  

    Ernest,
     
    I had a lot of time to reflect on our exchange we had that got so ugly.
    What did I accomplish by attacking you? Nothing. You may have never came
    back to this group and that would have been a shame. What can I accomplish
    by instead actually offering constructive critiques and offering to help? A
    Whole lot. A side benefit of teaching others is that oftentimes you learn
    in the process.
     
    Most of us are freelancers here and are depending on the web for income. I
    would say that none of us are in direct competition with each other. I have
    a comfortable income. I am fortunate. I think I need to give back, and so
    I have made a pledge to myself that I will help others along in their
    desire to learn.
     
    I realize that the bootswatch site download is not actually a working copy.
    I am going to email you a bootswatch / bootstrap zip for you to play with.
    The template will be the orange and white design. You can download the
    other bootswatch css files and replace the ones in the file I am sending
    you.
     
    I am working on the bootstrap design of the i-design site right now and
    will post it on my server and provide a link to the zip for others to
    download if they choose.
     
     
    --
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    Ernest Okojie <nestkojex@gmail.com> May 29 03:09PM +0100  

    Thanks a million lot Chris. I really appreciate
     
     
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    Joni Mueller <joni@jonimueller.com> May 29 12:51PM -0500  

    Some here wouldn't last five minutes on a Usenet group. :) Maybe that's why I don't take offense at what I see posted here. It's all pretty tame compared to alt.html.critique, or what that used to be "back in the day." :)
     
    I still haven't been able to get the OP's site to come up so I assume he's working on some fixes.
     
    When you come on a group, especially one that has a fair amount of professionals (i.e., those for whom web design and development is a living), you have to expect that you'll get some good advice. Which may or may not be candy-coated. And it may or may not be something that you particularly want to hear. But if it's constructive, even if it's terse or a bit "mean," it has value if you take that knowledge and apply it to your work. I'd rather have ONE person tell me my web site sucks and then proceed to tell me WHY and HOW I can fix it, than a thousand people saying, oh, yeah, it looks great, and leave it at that.
     
    But that's just me. :) (And it's a huge reason you will have a hard time getting rid of me, try though you might!) :D
     
    Joni Mueller
    Pixelita Designs
    http://www.pixelita.com
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    From: sitedesign@googlegroups.com [sitedesign@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chris walker [customsitepro@gmail.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:48 AM
    To: sitedesign@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: [WD&D] Must see!
     
    Ernest,
     
    I had a lot of time to reflect on our exchange we had that got so ugly. What did I accomplish by attacking you? Nothing. You may have never came back to this group and that would have been a shame. What can I accomplish by instead actually offering constructive critiques and offering to help? A Whole lot. A side benefit of teaching others is that oftentimes you learn in the process.
     
    Most of us are freelancers here and are depending on the web for income. I would say that none of us are in direct competition with each other. I have a comfortable income. I am fortunate. I think I need to give back, and so I have made a pledge to myself that I will help others along in their desire to learn.
     
    [snipped]

     

    chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> May 30 02:07AM +0800  

    Ilija and anyone else interested:
     
    I thought it was going to be a relaxing week, but murphy decided
    otherwise.. Anyhow, I got something up on my server that can give you a
    head start
     
    http://www.dgtebpo.com/iDesign/index.html
     
    To see the responsiveness, re-size your browser.. Even the slideshow will
    re-size for different devices. Observe how the columns on the home page
    "stack" when you make the browser window smaller. Also observe how the menu
    changes when you make the browser smaller. It turns from horizontal to a
    button that leads to a drop-down menu
     
    You can download the zip file at http://www.dgtebpo.com/iDesign/iDesign.zip
     
    Here are a few more observations:
     
    Your images for the slideshow were in differentextensions (jpg, jpeg, JPG)
    and a naming convention was not used. I renamed them all using "camel
    case" and the jpg extension. I also use camel Camel Case in naming pages.
    It is just more organized. Once you start formatting everything you do
    with a naming convention (It does not matter.. it can be hyphenated,
    underscores, or Camel Case) on every poroject you create it just becomes
    natural.
     
    Camel Case is where the first word is all lower case and all other words
    begin with a CAP. for example: firstSecondThird.html
     
    I am happy to answer questions if you have any.
     
     
    --
    Chris

     

    Ilija Milovic <milovicilija96@gmail.com> May 29 08:13PM +0200  

    This is great!!
    Thanks a lot!!!
     

     

    "George Gral" <george@encoreent.net> May 29 11:27AM -0700  

    HI all.

    In another vein here, I am looking for help on designing a couple of web
    sites for my clientele. I would prefer someone in Los Angles/San Fernando
    Valley area for ease of actually meeting and exchanging ideas but I am not
    married to it.

    At least one site will be a commercial site and the others mostly
    informative community sites.

    Please let me know if any of you are interested. You can contact me via
    email.

    Please provide location and phone number.

    Thanks.


    George Gral CMCA, AMS, PCAM


     
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    From: sitedesign@googlegroups.com [mailto:sitedesign@googlegroups.com] On
    Behalf Of chris walker
    Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:49 AM
    To: sitedesign@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: [WD&D] Must see!
     
     
    Ernest,
     
    I had a lot of time to reflect on our exchange we had that got so ugly. What
    did I accomplish by attacking you? Nothing. You may have never came back to
    this group and that would have been a shame. What can I accomplish by
    instead actually offering constructive critiques and offering to help? A
    Whole lot. A side benefit of teaching others is that oftentimes you learn
    in the process.
     
    Most of us are freelancers here and are depending on the web for income. I
    would say that none of us are in direct competition with each other. I have
    a comfortable income. I am fortunate. I think I need to give back, and so I
    have made a pledge to myself that I will help others along in their desire
    to learn.
     
    I realize that the bootswatch site download is not actually a working copy.
    I am going to email you a bootswatch / bootstrap zip for you to play with.
    The template will be the orange and white design. You can download the other
    bootswatch css files and replace the ones in the file I am sending you.
     
    I am working on the bootstrap design of the i-design site right now and will
    post it on my server and provide a link to the zip for others to download if
    they choose.
     
     
    On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Ernest Okojie <nestkojex@gmail.com> wrote:
     
     
    Good day Chris, i visited www.bootswatch.com as you advised. got the
    CSS files to download but there was no corresponding html to apply the
    css to, or am i to build that from scratch myself?
    It also introduced me to LESS style formatting as an alternative to
    css, what's your stance on this?
    The Kuler stuff was pretty cool but it offered me the themed colours
    in an adobe file format i could not use, i was expecting it would
    render the colour codes in plain text.
    I really like your constructive criticism on this site and the
    solutions proffered.
    Thanks.
     
     
    On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:55 AM, chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    > Doug,
     
    > I thought my review was tough! Living abroad has taught me quite a bit
    about
    > regional tastes. What we (Americans) like, other people find bland. In
    some
    > countries, they like bold contrasting colors and textures. I believe it is
    > due to a lack of choices in times of the past. Have a look at this old
    > classic Wendy's commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CaMUfxVJVQ
    for
    > reference. What makes us cringe, is entirely acceptable in some markets.
     
    > My wife and I are shocked and amazed what some people wear here in The
    > Philippines. Any given day of the week you can see a young lady wearing
    her
    > finest outfit which consists of something like a camouflage top with a
    > floral skirt, or maybe plaid and camo, plaid and floral, floral and
    stripe.
    > Sometimes even a combo of three items, one each of camo, flora, and stripe
    > or plaid. To top things off she might wear zebra-print high heels.
    Creative
    > wardrobing is so persistent here that degree programs for professionals
    here
    > subtleties such as shades - We love to use Adobe Kuler (all designers
    > should!) and others think the more color the better. They are "Loud and
    > Proud" and it works for them in their market or niche. I have some sites
    I
    > makes your eyes (and mine) bleed but I didn't mention that because Ididn't
    > want him to feel like he was being bullied.
     
    > Ilija has emailed me on the side. I have decided to try to help him out
    if
    > I can. I am going to create an instance of his English version in
    Bootstrap
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    chris walker <customsitepro@gmail.com> May 30 02:30AM +0800  

    If you learn bootstrap, you will have a valuable tool in your toolbox. I am
    not saying it is the only way to make sites, but it is my favorite flavor
    this week. I still make my money on Joomla sites.
     
    Study the code, get proficient at it, then find another tool to learn..
    there are so many of them out there that all have their own advantages.
     
     
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    Stuart Moules <stu.moules@googlemail.com> May 29 09:41AM +0100  

    Hi all,
     
    Thank you for all your help. I just got it working. Artist if you get an
    email with my png attached to convert to ico then just trash it. Thanks
    anyway. I didn't save the favicon.ico properly. I converted it properly and
    it is now working. Thank you again ;)
     
    Regards, Stuart.
     

     

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